Real or fake ??

[oldschool]

Hello friends,i wanted to share this with you and get some opinions on what you think about this card..I recently bought a small lot of cards pretty much in the dark without seeing scans from someone on a unrelated trading card site and in that lot of cards was this 2003 leaf certified fabric of the game patch card..Now when i bought these cards the dude just gave me a rough ideal of what was in it the lot and didn't mention nothing about patches and just called everything that's either a bat,jersey or patch a game used card..

I went ahead and took the gamble and bought the lot which had autos,game used and graded stuff..I bought the lot just for the autos and some graded stuff that he mentioned..

Well today when i got the package and to my surprise some of the stuff was actually patch cards.I know everything that i got in this package is legit besides maybe this patch card below..Now this may be real and may not..I'm leaning more to it being fake then i am real.

Now no where on this cards does it mention patch..it clearly says game worn jersey on the side and i thought right off well that's a for sure fake..Well i get to reading about older products and i read that a lot of them don't mention patch on them...I then search ebay and and i see other patch cards in baseball and football from this year and product that say the same thing that this one does..Some of them are even numbered higher then this one...Now i have not seen nothing that looks logo looking like this from that product but there is a bunch of multiple color patch cards on ebay from this product that say the same thing on it that this one does.

Now looking at the card up close i don't see no creasing or damage around the patch..If it is a fake someone did a really good job at getting the patch in there..

What do you people think,real or fake ? I'm leaning more toward fake but i may be wrong..

Here is the front and back scans

2003 donruss leaf certified

 

[metsman1986]

Looks like a Yankees home jersey on the back of the card and typically they don't wear patches like that unless it's honoring a deceased Yankee................I'm thinking possible fake...................

 

[mattfieser]

That patch was worn during the 2001 season celebrating 100 seasons for the American League. Here is a description of it.

This is the official American League 100 Seasons Patch as was celebrated during the 2001 season. All teams but the 4 Charter Member teams wore this patch on field for the year.

Here is one I have from 2002 Absolute of the same patch



I think it is real. Even if it is a fake it is pretty cool looking!! Great part of the patch. I'd trade for it if you wanna move it.

 

[bongo870]

to me id say fake mainly beacuse it is too perfect.

 

[cmcjr99]

That patch was worn during the 2001 season celebrating 100 seasons for the American League. Here is a description of it.

This is the official American League 100 Seasons Patch as was celebrated during the 2001 season. All teams but the 4 Charter Member teams wore this patch on field for the year.

Here is one I have from 2002 Absolute of the same patch



I think it is real. Even if it is a fake it is pretty cool looking!! Great part of the patch. I'd trade for it if you wanna move it.

just a thought , but if , as you suggest , that patch was worn in 2001 , then you have proven it to be fake since the card clearly notes the swatch came from a jersey that was worn in an official game in 2002....

 

[mattfieser]

cmcjr99- Good call. I didn't even read the back of the card. I also have an '05 Leather & Lumber card with the same type of Patch swatch in it.

 

[thedarkbrown]

It looks fake to me. I've opened a lot of 2003 leaf certified and no patch ever came close to that one. It's too much to be real in my opinion.

cmcjr99 and mattfieser, the card may be released as 2002, but the copyright is probably 2001. It's very possible that the jersey was worn in 2001, the design copyrighted in 2001, but it's for a 2002 product. I also think that the Absolute patch is fake, but again, just my opinion.

 

[Konel07]

I think its real, due to the many example i have seen online as well as the low number on the card. I would get in line if its for trade as well

 

[Meliah]

Pretty sure that is fake. 2003 Leaf Certified Fabric of the Game cards had a large range of cards and variations--uniform number, position and autographed ones. Even the ones that were low numbered and autographed almost always had a plain jersey piece for the GU, sometimes it had a pin stripe if you were lucky.

Being #/50 is actually a high run for a series like Fabric of the Game, no way they waste that patch on a non-autographed card numbered out of 50 for Soriano. If they were going to do the patch save it for one of these Soriano variations from that set--

2003 Leaf Certified Materials Fabric of the Game #47JN Alfonso Soriano JN/12MEMSER 12 n/a

2003 Leaf Certified Materials Fabric of the Game Autographs #47IN Alfonso Soriano IN/5AUMEMSER 5


Like I said though, even those low ones almost never had a special GU piece. Don't believe me then just take a look around Ebay, search for "2003 Leaf Certified fabric of the Game" in title and descriptions and you will see what I am talking about.

 

[Dilferules]

I would lean towards it being fake. I have never seen a patch in a Fabric of the Game card from that year when searching for guys I collect. Donruss/Playoff did have many GU cards around that time that had patches in high-numbered stuff that wasn't labeled as "Prime", but I don't think they did in that particular FOTG set. Soriano's patches were most likely confined to the cards Meliah mentioned plus his Mirror Gold, Emerald, and Black GU base set parallels.
Richard

 

[oldschool]

For everyone that's pretty much saying it looks to good to be true i agree with you all..Myself I'm not a fan of game used stuff and I'm sure not a fan of logo patches.Every time i see a logo type patch first thing hits my mind is that it's fake and that's because of all the scamming that goes on now days with patches.Now days i only like to collect pack certified autographs but still end up with some game used and patch stuff when i pick up card lots here and there...

couple other patches i found on ebay from 2003 that's #/50 and #/58
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...p10lBv35GofZ5u2rVmAx4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...p10lBv35GofZ5u2rVmAx4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


here is one from 2002 and it's # higher then the Soriano..Now this may be a fake also but it is another logo type patch #/66
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...p10lBv35GofZ5u2rVmAx4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

[slavlite]

My personal thought is that it is real. In 02 Leaf I pulled 3 different Patches from the shirt off my back set that were not labeled as Prime(alot of Donruss products didnt start specifying "Prime" until 2004)''

It confused me at first but in the header lines of Beckett listing for 02 Leaf Shirt off my back, there is a multiplier for Multi colored patches:

*MULTI-COLOR PATCH 1.25X TO 3X H

However, when looking at the header lines for 02 Leaf Certified FOTG cards there is no multiplier listed for patch variations, so that does then lead me to believe it could be fake.

Conundrum!

 

[cmcjr99]

It looks fake to me. I've opened a lot of 2003 leaf certified and no patch ever came close to that one. It's too much to be real in my opinion.

cmcjr99 and mattfieser, the card may be released as 2002, but the copyright is probably 2001. It's very possible that the jersey was worn in 2001, the design copyrighted in 2001, but it's for a 2002 product. I also think that the Absolute patch is fake, but again, just my opinion.

i think you misread my comment....it has nothing to do with the copyright date at all....

as matt said , the patch used on that card was used ONLY in 2001....the card specifically states that the jersey pictured on the back is the actual jersey from which the swatch was taken and that it was used in an official game in 2002....if the jersey was USED in 2002 but the patch was NOT used that season then there is no way it could be on that jersey....

that said , i realize mistakes are made and that it's technically possible that the wrong swatch/patch could have been attached to the card , but i'm still of the belief that this is another one that was "upgraded" by an unscrupulous owner/seller somewhere along the line....

 

[David K.]

Main reason why I avoid game used patches! However, with all of the errors on the 2008 ud heroes........serial to the wrong number.....26 of 25.......no mention on the back that the card has an auto on it the navy blue serial #10! Best regards, David

 

[mrmopar]

I have a number of "special" Garvey FOTG cards in the lower numbers. I remember for his, it was #'d to 6, 21 and 33. After that, they were just swatches of jersey. Not all of the lower numbers had fancy patch pieces, but I have one with some stitching and a few that definitely came from the team or number portion of the jersey. Now with Garvey and that particular year, they advertised a very early jersey and I don't belive it had any special patches on it to begin with.

Has anyone tried to remove a jersey piece and replace it with a patch just to see how it might be done and if it is easy? The patches will be thicker and often the GU "hole" is small and has a delicate frame. I am not suggesting it couldn't be done on some cards, but using the McCovey card above for example, I say no way can you replace the swatch w/o damaging the card. With the larger square openings, it would presumably be easier though. I have never tried it myself and most of the cards that contained patches that I have were on ebay while the product was brand new. There is one I bought a few years after the product went live that I am suspicious about, but in the end it doesn't matter. I won't be able to prove it and the card itself is still one of only 5 made!

 

[mindbinge]

fake.

 

[oldschool]

fake.

You think this one is fake also ? the patch looks to be from about the same type patch as the Soriano but just not as well placed looking.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...p10lBv35GofZ5u2rVmAx4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

[thedarkbrown]

These types of GU cards are the most faked ones because they are so thick. I remember multiple fakes popping up shortly after they were released.

They buy a fancy patch at the store, carefully slit the edge of the card, pull out the jersey swatch and place the patch in place of it and glue it back together. Again, the thickness is what makes it so easy for scam artists to place a fancy patch in there to get a premium vs. just selling a card with a plain old jersey swatch.

 

[Tim Carroll]

Not sure about the Soriano, but the others that were shown above (Clemens and McCovey) most certainly look real! Why would I differentiate? Look at the top layer corners of card that cover the patch (in the "5" of McCovey and the corner of the "P" of Clemens). Someone is EXTREMELY talented to not only remove something without bending those areas - but removing AND replacing with thicker patches? I can see how it would be easier with squares, circles, or othe rpolygons that didn't hav ethe angles going internal - but those two inparticular would make me a believer that patchs can come in cards #'d to 50 and higher.

Not saying Soriano is real, but I definitely see enough evidence to say it is not an automatic fake.


Tim

 

[mindbinge]

isnt there a year mismatch from when the card says it was worn and from when the patch was actually used on the jerseys? If the years dont jive then I'd say fake. Another thing is that for some reason most of the nice patches are not centered up well by the card companies...a lot are even upside down...so..if you see one that looks really straight and nice...throws up a red flag for me.