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    Jeff and Rooster,

    I agree with both of you about it being a buyer's market, but baseball has sure got some pie in the sky prices, my gosh.

    A Payton rookie for 20 bucks is a great price, beats the heck out of anything baseball has to offer! The cards have not drastically increased in their value, as Rooster said, though prices are still crazy high! Griffey, Harper, Ripken, etc.

    I do enjoy finding a good purchase here and there, and like Jeff's Hammer, I look for players I liked, not based on popularity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.rooster View Post
    And to add to that, baseball cards as an investment have not kept up with appreciation over time. It has only been recently that '60s cards of the stars have received a bump in book value....
    Shhhh..... Vintage staying cheap is not a bad thing!! Everyone can rush out after Vlad etc. I want to try and scoop up as much vintage as possible to finish up my sets, at the lowest cost possible!
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    I prefer baseball cards because many players have 15-20 year careers. I followed Jim Thome from the minors to the Hall of Fame. In baseball, the season has many, many more games. More chances to see your favorite players. Longer seasons also means more product. Longer, richer history plays a part too I think. Baseball has more players to prospect on too. A late rounder 60th round or some craziness (Mike Piazza) can make the hall of fame. A late rounder in football is 6th or 7th round. And basketball, seems you have to be a lottery pick to even get any attention at all. I know there are exceptions but overall IMO baseball has better prospect sets and better memorabilia.
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    The football card hobby is driven almost solely by one position - the quarterback. You can look at cards for great RBs, WRs, etc. and they are ridiculously cheap even for HOFers. At the same time nice cards of rookie QBs sell for tons more. Just the way it is sadly. Longevity is huge for football though. Injuries derail careers and the average career length of an NFL player is far less.

    This is not true in basketball or baseball since one position isn't so heavily weighted and the players that are good typically have longer careers therefore increasing the value over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabs View Post
    The football card hobby is driven almost solely by one position - the quarterback. You can look at cards for great RBs, WRs, etc. and they are ridiculously cheap even for HOFers. At the same time nice cards of rookie QBs sell for tons more. Just the way it is sadly. Longevity is huge for football though. Injuries derail careers and the average career length of an NFL player is far less.

    This is not true in basketball or baseball since one position isn't so heavily weighted and the players that are good typically have longer careers therefore increasing the value over time.
    That is a great point about the QB centric aspect of football cards. It has cetainly been that way since the turn of the century or even more specifically when Manning and Leaf were drafted in 1998. Prior to that it was about 50/50 for the biggest cards being QBs vs non QBs. About half the time the big rc for any year's sets were RBs, WRs and even defensive players like in 1982 and 1966. As recently as the 1990s franchise running backs were often the marquee cards like with Barry and Emmitt. But no longer.

    I'm really wondering if baseball's inability to get its act together and play this season is going to hurt the popularity of that sport's cards? It might not because card collectors tend to be older males who are very nostalgic about baseball. I don't know too many younger collectors these days so I'm not sure about the long term health of the entire sportscard hobby, not just baseball cards..

    And you are correct about the cheap HOF rookie cards in football! Those cards are the best buys in the hobby if you are buying single cards these days. Some of the values on hof rookies are so low, itis shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SymphonicMetal View Post
    I'm really wondering if baseball's inability to get its act together and play this season is going to hurt the popularity of that sport's cards? It might not because card collectors tend to be older males who are very nostalgic about baseball. I don't know too many younger collectors these days so I'm not sure about the long term health of the entire sportscard hobby, not just baseball cards..
    Trying to figure out how to determine the popularity of current cards - even without the season currently underway. As discussed in other threads, box prices are going through the roof. Will pull the Topps 2020 Series II example again -- jumbo boxes are $206 each right now. For that price 2 years ago, could get 2 jumbo boxes and enough sleeves and toploaders to last me 6 months (or more).

    Eventually too many folks will get into breaking, etc., and realize it is not a money making opportunity, at which point my hope is that prices return to something a bit more reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katester44 View Post
    Trying to figure out how to determine the popularity of current cards - even without the season currently underway. As discussed in other threads, box prices are going through the roof. Will pull the Topps 2020 Series II example again -- jumbo boxes are $206 each right now. For that price 2 years ago, could get 2 jumbo boxes and enough sleeves and toploaders to last me 6 months (or more).

    Eventually too many folks will get into breaking, etc., and realize it is not a money making opportunity, at which point my hope is that prices return to something a bit more reasonable.
    I've got to ask, what is breaking? I've seen that term numerous times and don't know what it is.

    I'm also wondering how MLB's seeming reluctance to play this season will effect the popularity of its' cards? Losing a complete (or near complete) season is not a good thing for speculating on prospects. I'm thinking this will really help football cards since they appear to be anxious to play.

    Prces of current unopened material just floors me. I remember when Upper Deck packs went to $1 each in 1989 and I thought that was insane. Actually, I was correct in that thought since most boxes going for $36 was a colossal waste of money. Was putting together a 1992 Donruss set for $72 ($36 X 2 series) worth it in retrospect? There were more prducts like 1992 Donruss than there were of 1993 SP over the years by a long shot. And it seems like collectors today want to make the same mistake over and over again by chasing the new and hot.

    I still believe this can be an inexpensive hobby if you use your head. Patience and taking the path of least resistance is the way to go.

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    The thrill of the chase has to be worth something. I buy a Topps hobby jumbo of series one and two and update every year. Every once in a while I will pull something really good. Obviously that is rare. But the chance is always there. I love the fact that there are game used cards in packs. Pieces of jerseys and bats from the greats of the game is something that I love to see people get. I have never been a fan of the theory that the bats and jerseys should not be "destroyed" like that. But how likely am I to be able to afford a Ruth jersey? Or a Gehrig bat? Can anyone on here afford that stuff? I think not. But how cool is it to get a Gehrig or Ruth GU card. While those are expensive they are at least affordable. I for one will continue to buy old and new cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SymphonicMetal View Post
    I've got to ask, what is breaking? I've seen that term numerous times and don't know what it is.

    I'm also wondering how MLB's seeming reluctance to play this season will effect the popularity of its' cards? Losing a complete (or near complete) season is not a good thing for speculating on prospects. I'm thinking this will really help football cards since they appear to be anxious to play.

    Prces of current unopened material just floors me. I remember when Upper Deck packs went to $1 each in 1989 and I thought that was insane. Actually, I was correct in that thought since most boxes going for $36 was a colossal waste of money. Was putting together a 1992 Donruss set for $72 ($36 X 2 series) worth it in retrospect? There were more prducts like 1992 Donruss than there were of 1993 SP over the years by a long shot. And it seems like collectors today want to make the same mistake over and over again by chasing the new and hot.

    I still believe this can be an inexpensive hobby if you use your head. Patience and taking the path of least resistance is the way to go.
    Jeff,

    My understanding of a break is a purchase of a case, and individual collectors buy in for their teams or however it is divided up, and then you see what you get. Have not done one, as I am actually trying to downsize! I am out of wall space, officially! I know there are tons of videos out there where one guy gets the Mickey Mantle 1/1 cut, and the rest of the guys get the remainders, but it is trending in the hobby at the moment. Not my scene, I am moving for quality over quantity! Fortunately, my nephew in Tennessee is WILD about cards at the moment, so I am sending a lot his way!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCLJ520 View Post
    Jeff,

    My understanding of a break is a purchase of a case, and individual collectors buy in for their teams or however it is divided up, and then you see what you get. Have not done one, as I am actually trying to downsize! I am out of wall space, officially! I know there are tons of videos out there where one guy gets the Mickey Mantle 1/1 cut, and the rest of the guys get the remainders, but it is trending in the hobby at the moment. Not my scene, I am moving for quality over quantity! Fortunately, my nephew in Tennessee is WILD about cards at the moment, so I am sending a lot his way!!

    Blessings,

    Kevin
    I thought it was something like that except collectors were buying individual packs from the case and then they watch thee packs opened live online. In other words, I'm buying the 4th pack in the 2nd box for X amount of dollars and I get whatever is in that pack. And I'm thinking they are paying A LOT for each pack otherwise it would not be worth the effort of the case purchaer to go through all this.

    Thanks for the explanation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SymphonicMetal View Post
    I thought it was something like that except collectors were buying individual packs from the case and then they watch thee packs opened live online. In other words, I'm buying the 4th pack in the 2nd box for X amount of dollars and I get whatever is in that pack. And I'm thinking they are paying A LOT for each pack otherwise it would not be worth the effort of the case purchaer to go through all this.

    Thanks for the explanation!
    I do believe your description is probably closer to accurate than mine! I also agree that it is more expensive likely, to make it worth the "breaker's" time!
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