2008 Moment and Milestones... anyone seen a full set of any player?

[TJCloutier]

A few years ago my father put together a complete set for me of the Sheffield /150. I'm 3/4 done a black set /25 and 1/4 done a blue set /10. I'm really only 1 card away from my 2nd white set /150 and was wondering what I could fetch for it. Really not reason to have 2 complete sets. I just had over a half set completed already of the white and saw it as an investment.

I've gone on eBay and found nothing. Anyone think they can ballpark it? Obviously depends on the player but it's a 480 card set /150.

Was also wondering how you guys are doing on it as player collectors or collectors in general. I know it's a frustrating set. The last white /150 I need is Home Run #455 if anyone knows where to find one. Only one I've seen is the one in my completed set already. I'd pay extra for it.

p.s I also have 57, 08' moment and milestones Sheffield printing plates for sale. Really interested in keeping them as a whole but depending on offers I'd sell a set or piece it out for the right price (pm me)

 

[valediction]

realistically, probably not as much as you'd like. There are several issues.

First, Sheffield himself. Great player, but his personality turned some people off.

Second, he's not terribly collected. Good for the people that DO collect him because it keeps prices down, but bad from the 'investment' standpoint. Talk to mrmopar (or jaderock) sometime about player collecting, or catch his blog. If he (or one of the other Garvey super collectors) is not bidding on something, it goes pretty low. He's mentioned several times that he seems to be a sizable segment of the Garvey Market, just as I'm sure you're a decent chunk of the Sheffield market. If you don't bid on things, they probably go a lot lower than they would otherwise. There just aren't that many Sheffield fanatics out there to fight for stuff

Third, for the collectors who ARE obsessed, the search is half the thrill. Buying the set as a whole is kind of...anticlimactic I guess. Kind of like the guy six years in to restoring his 1969 Camaro doesn't typically just go out and buy a completed one through one of the big auction houses. It's a labor of love, and to a lot of people it feels like cheating in a way, even if it's been shown it's often much more economical to just buy someone else's completed restoration.

 

[TJCloutier]

I completely understand what you mean on all accounts. I know I do have a good share of bids on just about every low numbered Sheff auto, 1/1 out there these days. The camaro was a great example however I still feel as if the set would or COULD. I mean I have no idea really but I'd to think people would take the common sense to factor $.99 * 480. Then see how much they would be basically spending on Shipping. Maybe $2~$2.99 per lot they win. In reality to put this set together without getting the majority of cards from one person or a few people.. you're putting 600~1000 into it. just for the white version. It's crazy!

realistically, probably not as much as you'd like. There are several issues.

First, Sheffield himself. Great player, but his personality turned some people off.

Second, he's not terribly collected. Good for the people that DO collect him because it keeps prices down, but bad from the 'investment' standpoint. Talk to mrmopar (or jaderock) sometime about player collecting, or catch his blog. If he (or one of the other Garvey super collectors) is not bidding on something, it goes pretty low. He's mentioned several times that he seems to be a sizable segment of the Garvey Market, just as I'm sure you're a decent chunk of the Sheffield market. If you don't bid on things, they probably go a lot lower than they would otherwise. There just aren't that many Sheffield fanatics out there to fight for stuff

Third, for the collectors who ARE obsessed, the search is half the thrill. Buying the set as a whole is kind of...anticlimactic I guess. Kind of like the guy six years in to restoring his 1969 Camaro doesn't typically just go out and buy a completed one through one of the big auction houses. It's a labor of love, and to a lot of people it feels like cheating in a way, even if it's been shown it's often much more economical to just buy someone else's completed restoration.

 

[David K.]

Tried putting the Frank Thomas m&m just the base cards ....got tried and quiet. Good luck on your quest! Best regards, David

 

[valediction]

The problem with what you'd like to think is that it applies to varying degrees for ANY set. You buy 32 team/subset lots of 1985 Topps at $3 delivered for each lot, then the Puckett, Clemens, McGwire, Mattingly, Ripken, and Ryan individually, and you're significantly over the $30-40 it would cost to buy the set outright. It's not like people are suddenly going to discover Sheffield, so the amount of new Sheffield collectors coming in will most likely be a slow trickle at best, and the existing Sheffield collectors are mostly already picking them up and are five years in to picking them up already. There very well could be some demand, but unless you can find a strong appeal to multiple bidders, the demand will likely be less than or equal to the supply. That doesn't bode well for getting a decent price. It's one of those items that is cool to look at, but that's about it (for me). If it were at a dealers table I'd stop and look, ask him the price, but honestly it wouldn't even cross my mind to consider buying it unless it was SO cheap I knew I'd make a decent profit piecing it out even after the associated fees.

 

[Dilferules]

I would be incredibly shocked if it went for over $100. Clearly $100 would be a fantastic deal for somebody who wanted to put together that set and wasn't close to finishing it already. But realistically, is there anybody out there that would be really interested in the complete 480-card gary Sheffield set from Moments and Milestones, who doesn't already have it or is most of the way there already?

It might be better to hold on to it for several years to see if interest in Sheffield goes up and/or interest in Moments and Milestones goes up similar to how it has for Topps Tek.

Richard

 

[TJCloutier]

I completely understand where you're coming from. However I don't see anyway it fetches under $400 for the entire set. I wouldn't take $400 for it but that would be min. Realistically I'm not flaunting the cards themselves etc it's just the fact that if you ARE putting together the set it's going to cost you more than $600 to put it together pieces it together from collectors. Sheffield doesn't have too many collectors I'm aware of that I'm just saying it doesn't matter if it's Sheffield or A Rod. How would an A Rod complete set of moments and milestones sell for less than if you pieced it out? when you have it all together?

I know you could make money off shipping or if people are looking for a specific card you could charge $3 a card or something but I know for a fact that's not the case (at least with Sheff). You see the same moments and milestones not selling all the time on ebay (as single lots). I guess there's only one way to see and is to list a lot on ebay and see what I can get. No doubt in my mind I'd have to wait a little bit for serious offers but were not talking about a complete set of 1990 topps here which seems to be conveyed or implied. Just my take, hopefully it didn't come off crude. Obviously it's biased, but knowing what his stuff sells for it just doesn't make sense that you would incredibly shocked if it sold for more than $100. I'd sell you the first 120 cards in the set for that much lol. That's not my prices, that's market value.

I would be incredibly shocked if it went for over $100. Clearly $100 would be a fantastic deal for somebody who wanted to put together that set and wasn't close to finishing it already. But realistically, is there anybody out there that would be really interested in the complete 480-card gary Sheffield set from Moments and Milestones, who doesn't already have it or is most of the way there already?

It might be better to hold on to it for several years to see if interest in Sheffield goes up and/or interest in Moments and Milestones goes up similar to how it has for Topps Tek.

Richard

 

[bravesfansunite]

I've managed to get all 207 of the white /150 of John Smoltz. I need about 12 more of the black /25 to finish those. And I have around 50% of the blue /10 set. I also have managed to pick up 8 of the 1/1 red cards.

I have to think collecting Sheffield is easier than Smoltz, just because Sheffield is not likely to get into the Hall of Fame, so the prices will be lower, but if you don't get a price you like, just be patient. Cards are cyclical and you never know who will have interest tomorrow that didn't today.

 

[Dilferules]

I completely understand where you're coming from. However I don't see anyway it fetches under $400 for the entire set. I wouldn't take $400 for it but that would be min. Realistically I'm not flaunting the cards themselves etc it's just the fact that if you ARE putting together the set it's going to cost you more than $600 to put it together pieces it together from collectors. Sheffield doesn't have too many collectors I'm aware of that I'm just saying it doesn't matter if it's Sheffield or A Rod. How would an A Rod complete set of moments and milestones sell for less than if you pieced it out? when you have it all together?

I know you could make money off shipping or if people are looking for a specific card you could charge $3 a card or something but I know for a fact that's not the case (at least with Sheff). You see the same moments and milestones not selling all the time on ebay (as single lots). I guess there's only one way to see and is to list a lot on ebay and see what I can get. No doubt in my mind I'd have to wait a little bit for serious offers but were not talking about a complete set of 1990 topps here which seems to be conveyed or implied. Just my take, hopefully it didn't come off crude. Obviously it's biased, but knowing what his stuff sells for it just doesn't make sense that you would incredibly shocked if it sold for more than $100. I'd sell you the first 120 cards in the set for that much lol. That's not my prices, that's market value.

I understand that based on the actual cost to put the set together, even $400 could be considered a decent deal. The thing is, to actually sell anything for a particular price, even if that price is an amazing deal, there has to be a buyer willing to pay that price. For that particular item, somebody would realistically have to be either a Sheffield fan or a Moments & Milestones supercollector to be in the market to buy it. There is not a great number of either, and if they are a big enough collector that they are interested in putting together the entire set they could already have most of the cards.

You say yourself that you see the same cards in lots not selling all the time...I looked up the cards on ebay and saw that a lot of 10 went unsold at 99 cents plus $2.50 shipping. That doesn't speak very well to the demand for his cards from that set. Not that Beckett's values mean a whole heck of a lot when it comes to actual sale value, but each of those cards books for 40 cents, giving the total set a book value below $200.

I checked out ebay completed sales for Moments and Milestones "sets" of other players and could only find a 2008 Andruw Jones Black/25 set of 24: $9.99+$3 shipping, 54 cents per card. I looked for lots and only really noticed Mariano Rivera, Mickey Mantle, and A-Rod (somebody must be going for his set) getting much action. I just don't see any evidence of current demand that would bring in triple digits for the Sheffields. There is nothing that is showing me $400+ is the market value for that set.

And I'm not implying it's junk like 1990 Topps...I don't think it's junk at all, it's a cool set and a real achievement to make one, much less two of them. I just don't see a lot of demand for that particular set, at least that would drive the sales price into the hundreds of dollars. The entire set is limited to one player that isn't very popular at the moment in the hobby. He was a great player, but he doesn't have a heck of a lot of fans to drive demand.

You could always put it up with a 99 cent minimum bid and a reserve of $500 or so to protect yourself, in order to gauge interest.

Richard

 

[TJCloutier]

I looked into it. It would cost $8.00 to put a reserve on it. Now quite worth it to me but I was going to see what I could do with it. Maybe I'll decide to do it in the future but for now I'm just looking to build the sets.

 

[TJCloutier]

I actually JUST saw this on eBay. Doesn't make much sense to me from the description and the guy seems to not have any idea of the value of the US dollar but figured I'd share.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/alex-rodrig...1098854437?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item4172cc2025

 

[Dilferules]

Well I think we can both agree that that guy is insane.

Richard

 

[valediction]

I completely understand where you're coming from. However I don't see anyway it fetches under $400 for the entire set. I wouldn't take $400 for it but that would be min. Realistically I'm not flaunting the cards themselves etc it's just the fact that if you ARE putting together the set it's going to cost you more than $600 to put it together pieces it together from collectors. Sheffield doesn't have too many collectors I'm aware of that I'm just saying it doesn't matter if it's Sheffield or A Rod. How would an A Rod complete set of moments and milestones sell for less than if you pieced it out? when you have it all together?

I know you could make money off shipping or if people are looking for a specific card you could charge $3 a card or something but I know for a fact that's not the case (at least with Sheff). You see the same moments and milestones not selling all the time on ebay (as single lots). I guess there's only one way to see and is to list a lot on ebay and see what I can get. No doubt in my mind I'd have to wait a little bit for serious offers but were not talking about a complete set of 1990 topps here which seems to be conveyed or implied. Just my take, hopefully it didn't come off crude. Obviously it's biased, but knowing what his stuff sells for it just doesn't make sense that you would incredibly shocked if it sold for more than $100. I'd sell you the first 120 cards in the set for that much lol. That's not my prices, that's market value.

It might be market value, but the market is just so limited. As I said, if it were on a dealers table, I'd be impressed at the time and effort it took to piece it together, but honestly, I wouldn't pay $100 for it. The interest in owning a set like that just isn't there for me. That is just me, but how much would YOU pay for a Jim Thome version? The Topps Tek set was similar, though on a smaller scale. Two cards of a player, 30 versions of each card. I see a Ripken set of 60 went for $150 and a Frank Thomas set went for $72. The upside of yours is it is a bigger set and serial numbered, the down side is less demand for Sheff than Ripken or Thomas.

 

[TJCloutier]

I understand completely where you're coming from. However when it comes to the moments and milestones set I still think people understand the set enough to know how much it costs to be put together. For instance I need about 12 white for another set, and probably 140 for the black set. now I can go online on sportlots and purchase about 40 of the blacks i need /25 for around $50. That's not bad, but the majority are coming from ONE seller. You don't find every card you need from one seller, it's multiple when you're talking about 480 cards in the set... not too mention the black version would be even more sellers considering the average seller isn't going to have many low # Sheffield cards.

I know what you mean by Sheff not being desirable, I 100 percent agree. I just think people under estimate the complete set factor and how even if you wanted to go out and find all Sheffields (or any player that had a 400+ card set) white moments and milestones /150 that you honestly can't find them all. You probably couldn't find 50 percent of them you would have to wait probably over a year to complete 70 percent of the set... put $200 into it by that point. And spend another $150~$250 piecing it together through eBay auctions and various other sites. Shipping eats you alive.

So yes you'd have to find the specific market, but there's a lot of just, collectors, out there if you know what I mean. People that collect and have money to blow. I know there isn't a huge market for Sheffield but he doesn't sell dirt cheap for any means, he's no Pokey Reese. And I completely understand most people wouldn't care because you don't collect him, don't need it, and probably don't like him. That's fine, the fact that you admired or would admire that it was put together with time is awesome that's what player collectors and myself go for, however that doesn't depreciate it's value. Somethings only worth as much as someone will pay for it but those collectors are out there, we all know it. Of course I'd have to find them lol. But I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas on any numbers at all in their opinions. I know I kind of shunned the $100 price or whatever it was before, mainly because it was a ridiculous number but I got what the author meant by appealing to a certain market.

It might be market value, but the market is just so limited. As I said, if it were on a dealers table, I'd be impressed at the time and effort it took to piece it together, but honestly, I wouldn't pay $100 for it. The interest in owning a set like that just isn't there for me. That is just me, but how much would YOU pay for a Jim Thome version? The Topps Tek set was similar, though on a smaller scale. Two cards of a player, 30 versions of each card. I see a Ripken set of 60 went for $150 and a Frank Thomas set went for $72. The upside of yours is it is a bigger set and serial numbered, the down side is less demand for Sheff than Ripken or Thomas.