The 2019/2020 NBA Discussion Thread

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I broke down and bought the NBA team pass so I can watch the Cavs. Seeing how bad they are supposed to be I figured that would be the only way I would be able to see a game. Watched the Cavs/Pacers game and Cleveland did not look too bad. I did not catch the Cavs/Bucks game last night. I figured they would not do too well but they held their own for 3 quarters. I am hoping that they could possibly make the playoffs but that is probably a pipe dream.
 

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I broke down and bought the NBA team pass so I can watch the Cavs. Seeing how bad they are supposed to be I figured that would be the only way I would be able to see a game. Watched the Cavs/Pacers game and Cleveland did not look too bad. I did not catch the Cavs/Bucks game last night. I figured they would not do too well but they held their own for 3 quarters. I am hoping that they could possibly make the playoffs but that is probably a pipe dream.

That is true fan-dom right there!!!

Not sure if the Cavs have a shot at that 8 seed in the playoffs in The East or not..

Bucks
Sixers
Raptors
Nets
Celtics
Heat
Magic
Hawks
??? -- maybe the Cavs do have a shot. Teams that shouldn't be in - Knicks/Pistons/Bulls/Wizards/Hornets.

Am I missing anyone on either the in or the out list??
 

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The East is the weakest it has been in a LONG time. It would not surprise me if a team makes it that is under .500. I do not think I can name one player on the Magic. I know the Hawks have Trae Young but other than that I do not know anyone. But a lot of people could say the same thing about Cleveland. I agree with the first six teams you listed but after that is anyone's guess.
 

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The East is the weakest it has been in a LONG time. It would not surprise me if a team makes it that is under .500. I do not think I can name one player on the Magic. I know the Hawks have Trae Young but other than that I do not know anyone. But a lot of people could say the same thing about Cleveland. I agree with the first six teams you listed but after that is anyone's guess.

Right now, the Nets aren't even top 8 (yeah, I looked at the standings, just to see). There is a distinct possibility that a sub .500 team makes it in this year.

I did forget a team - the Pacers, although they are 0-4 right now, so eminently forgettable. At least until they get Oladipo back. I can name a couple Hawks, but only because they played the Sixers a couple nights ago..and they have the ageless Vince Carter!
 

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I watched the Cavs and Bulls last night. Cleveland did not look too bad and pulled out the victory. They are 2 and 2 now but both victories have been at home. They play at Indy next so we will see how they do in that game. Thompson was a beast last night and Love had 20 rebounds. If they can get that kind of production from those two then they may be able to pull off an improbable season and finish at or near .500.
 

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I watched the Cavs and Bulls last night. Cleveland did not look too bad and pulled out the victory. They are 2 and 2 now but both victories have been at home. They play at Indy next so we will see how they do in that game. Thompson was a beast last night and Love had 20 rebounds. If they can get that kind of production from those two then they may be able to pull off an improbable season and finish at or near .500.

The Bulls are a trainwreck....they will be sitting at the lottery table again next year. Not sure how often you will see nights like that from Thompson/Love - but I did like their PG Sexton.

Enjoyed seeing KAT/Embiid get into a scuffle - their needs to be a bit of animosity between teams. The Banana Boat era needs to vanish. Curious how many games Simmons will get for putting KAT in the Camel Clutch.

Tough night for the Warriors with Steph breaking his left hand. Total freak play, but i think that is the hoops gods saying put a stamp on this season, get everyone healthy and enjoy your top 3 pick in the draft next year. Saw the stat - in their last 6 games (pre-season not included), they have lost KD, Klay and Steph to injury - that is not a good 6 game run.....
 

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Sixers still undefeated after a last second three to beat the Blazers. Getting more and more concerned about Simmons still not wanting to fire up any jumpers at all, let alone a 3ball.

After scoring 159 to beat the Wizards by 1, the Rockets have gotten destroyed by the Nets and Heat. Westbrook was a stellar -46 for his time on the court.

Pelicans have been close to winning a handful of games - they could be tough when (if) Zion comes back!!!
 

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Need some help with a result last night. I watched James Harden push off with his left arm, directly into the groin of Jae Crowder, knocking him down. Crowder got ejected from the game and Harden got free throws, what on earth is going on???? Not quite as bad as the outcome in the finals a couple years ago when Lebron stood over Draymond and Draymond caught him in the jewels and got suspended, but still pretty bad.

If NBA officials do nothing more than start calling the off arm push offs and clear outs by the offensive players, the game will be more fun to watch. And maybe call a travel every now and than on those 8 step step back threes.

And please Ben Simmons...shoot a 3...just do it. Once you do it, you will feel more comfortable going forward!
 

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Ben Simmons injures his shoulder last night against the Jazz - saying it is a minor AC sprain. Hopefully it doesn't turn into thorasic outlet syndrome.

But that injury popping up leads to the bigger question of "load management". The Clippers are getting an approval from the league to let Kawhi take nights off to rest, so he will probably only play 55-60 games in the regular season, and than play all the games in the post season. If I am the Sixers, I am getting an exemption for Embiid. If I am the Lakers, I am getting an exemption for LeBron. If the goal is to have your best players healthy for the post season, why not have all the stars AND role players who average big chunks of minutes have nights off.
 

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Sixers/Cavaliers tonight - should be one the Sixers don't struggle with, but who knows the way this season has started out.

Couple of big injuries - D'Aaron Fox, Kris Middleton, Gordon Heyward -- all going to be out for extended periods. Never like seeing guys go down with injuries! Heyward was having a great season after a bit of a subpar effort last year coming back from his leg injury.
 

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I watched the Cavs and Sixers last night. Cleveland just could not handle Embiid. But for Philly to get a 1 point home victory over Cleveland is not what they are looking for. They are the most undisciplined team I have watched all year. From watching them last night, I think there is no way they can even begin to think about winning a title. The teams out West will obliterate them. The Cavs play very smart basketball and Beilein looks like a great hire. But Cleveland just does not have the talent to match up with these other teams. Thompson, Love and Sexton are playing great and Garland looks like he is going to be a solid player. But as everyone knows, you need a superstar player or two to compete in the League.
 

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I watched the Cavs and Sixers last night. Cleveland just could not handle Embiid. But for Philly to get a 1 point home victory over Cleveland is not what they are looking for. They are the most undisciplined team I have watched all year. From watching them last night, I think there is no way they can even begin to think about winning a title. The teams out West will obliterate them. The Cavs play very smart basketball and Beilein looks like a great hire. But Cleveland just does not have the talent to match up with these other teams. Thompson, Love and Sexton are playing great and Garland looks like he is going to be a solid player. But as everyone knows, you need a superstar player or two to compete in the League.

Your assessment is 100% spot on - the Sixers refuse to value the basketball. They are leading the league at a clip of 18.8 TO's a game. They won't be able to out-talent the better teams - it is the reason they lost to the Suns/Nuggets on their latest road trip and why they needed a miracle 3 ball to beat the Blazers.

Teams that can handle Embiid and keep Simmons more than 7 feet away from the basket will take them to school.....
 

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I love this stat from ESPN

Keep in mind, Harden is doing this while shooting just over 40% from the field and just under 30% from beyond the arc. Harden has seven 35-point games this season. That is the third-most through a player's first 10 games of a season in NBA history. The only player with more is Wilt Chamberlain in 1962-63 (10) and 1961-62 (9).

I have confessed to being a Wilt the Stilt fan a few times in the past. But stats these days are over blown. They track everything in todays game. For example, potential rebounds (when a player is within 3.5 feet of a rebound). The sports writers are going nuts with stats. Stats stats stats. Give me some more stats.

When ever a player has a good game, they create a stat for it. For example. Player A had more rebounds in his first 13 days, for the Lakers, when leap year falls on a Tuesday. I love stats, but let's keep to those that have some meaning.
 

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I love this stat from ESPN

Keep in mind, Harden is doing this while shooting just over 40% from the field and just under 30% from beyond the arc. Harden has seven 35-point games this season. That is the third-most through a player's first 10 games of a season in NBA history. The only player with more is Wilt Chamberlain in 1962-63 (10) and 1961-62 (9).

I have confessed to being a Wilt the Stilt fan a few times in the past. But stats these days are over blown. They track everything in todays game. For example, potential rebounds (when a player is within 3.5 feet of a rebound). The sports writers are going nuts with stats. Stats stats stats. Give me some more stats.

When ever a player has a good game, they create a stat for it. For example. Player A had more rebounds in his first 13 days, for the Lakers, when leap year falls on a Tuesday. I love stats, but let's keep to those that have some meaning.

Couldn't agree more -- Mr. Baseball -- nobody had more pinch hit doubles after the 7th inning than I did last season..

Harden (and SO many others) are nothing more than volume shooters - IE, if you shoot enough times, you will score plenty of points. He also makes a living at the foul line, getting 10-12 there every night.

Just look what sabr-metrics and stat-heads are doing in baseball.
 

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Todays most meaningless stats.

Harden notched his fifth 40-point outing in just 11 games this season, which is the fastest any player has reached five 40-point games in a season since Wilt Chamberlain in 1964-65. Harden is now averaging 38.2 points per game this season. The only player in NBA history to average more through his first 11 games of a season is Wilt. Wednesday was Harden's 70th career 40-point, five-assist game. Per the Elias Sports Bureau, he's the third player in NBA history to reach that mark, joining Michael Jordan (96 games) and Oscar Robertson (75). Harden has now scored 36 points over his last two fourth quarters (19 Monday at Pelicans); the most over a two-game span in the fourth quarter in his career.

FYI Wilt Chamberlain carrer FG% 54% FT% .511 He still holds the record for most free throws made in a game at 28, during his 100 point game he was 28/28.
 

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Most centers are terrible at the free throw.....but wilt was 28 of 28!

I thought I had read in the past that he was 28 of 28. But I looked into this further and the source says 28 of 32. There is also one other player that made 28 in a game. Adrian Dantleu made 28 and also 27 in the same season.
 
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Todays most meaningless stats.

Harden notched his fifth 40-point outing in just 11 games this season, which is the fastest any player has reached five 40-point games in a season since Wilt Chamberlain in 1964-65. Harden is now averaging 38.2 points per game this season. The only player in NBA history to average more through his first 11 games of a season is Wilt. Wednesday was Harden's 70th career 40-point, five-assist game. Per the Elias Sports Bureau, he's the third player in NBA history to reach that mark, joining Michael Jordan (96 games) and Oscar Robertson (75). Harden has now scored 36 points over his last two fourth quarters (19 Monday at Pelicans); the most over a two-game span in the fourth quarter in his career.

FYI Wilt Chamberlain carrer FG% 54% FT% .511 He still holds the record for most free throws made in a game at 28, during his 100 point game he was 28/28.

If only Wilt could have won more championships......He is still a top 10 guy all time, but had he won 6 or 7 rings, would be comparable to Russell at that point....

I am still in awe that he didn't win a national championship while at Kansas - closest was the epic 3OT game against North Carolina led by Lennie Rosenbluth.

Big news out of the NBA is the Trail Blazers signing Carmelo Anthony -- just what they need a non mobile, iso guy who doesn't play defense - and they let their young athletic guys just sit on the bench. Perfect way to develop players.

Two weeks in - rookie of the year is going to be either Ja Morant or Coby White.
 

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I read an article about the 10 unbreakable NBA records. Russell won 11 championships. Wilt played many of those years so the ring can only go to one guy. But anyway, the 9 rings will never be broken because there are many more teams in the league. Here is the league size during Russell's tenure which was prior to the NBA ABA expansion.

1955–1961 8
1961–1966 9
1966–1967 10
1967–1968 12
1968–1970 14

It is still the best record to have, but 50 ppg in a season inspires more awe. But as far as Wilt goes, there weren't very many 7 ft players and the talent pool probably was lacking.
 
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I errored to say that Russel had 9 rings. He had 11. It struck me to see who had the most appearances in the finals.

Players who Have Played in the Most NBA Finals

Player Finals Played Finals Won
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Bill Russell 12 11
Sam Jones 11 10
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 10 6
Tom Heinsohn 9 8
Magic Johnson 9 5
LeBron James 9 3
Jerry West 9 1
John Havlicek 8 8
K.C. Jones 8 8
Tom Sanders 8 8
Frank Ramsey 8 7
Michael Cooper 8 5
Derek Fisher 8 5
Robert Horry 7 7
Bob Cousy 7 6
Kobe Bryant 7 5
Elgin Baylor 7 0

There are numerous with 6 appearances.

Michael Jordan 6 6
Shaquille O'Neal 6 4
Wilt 6 2

There's a lot of Celtics and Lakers. I would love to see that rivalry again.
 
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