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I thought I had read in the past that he was 28 of 28. But I looked into this further and the source says 28 of 32. There is also one other player that made 28 in a game. Adrian Dantleu made 28 and also 27 in the same season.

Still good numbers!
 

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I errored to say that Russel had 9 rings. He had 11. It struck me to see who had the most appearances in the finals.

Players who Have Played in the Most NBA Finals

Player Finals Played Finals Won
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Bill Russell 12 11
Sam Jones 11 10
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 10 6
Tom Heinsohn 9 8
Magic Johnson 9 5
LeBron James 9 3
Jerry West 9 1
John Havlicek 8 8
K.C. Jones 8 8
Tom Sanders 8 8
Frank Ramsey 8 7
Michael Cooper 8 5
Derek Fisher 8 5
Robert Horry 7 7
Bob Cousy 7 6
Kobe Bryant 7 5
Elgin Baylor 7 0

There are numerous with 6 appearances.

Michael Jordan 6 6
Shaquille O'Neal 6 4
Wilt 6 2

There's a lot of Celtics and Lakers. I would love to see that rivalry again.


That last line sums it up pretty well -- lots and lots of Celtics and lakers - especially more vintage names. The two that jump out at me are Jerry West with 7 appearances and only 1 ring...and Elgin Baylor with 7 appearances and 0 rings. Compared to Robert Horry with 7 appearances and 7 rings - that is good work if you can get it!!

Do you want 7 rings as a role player -- or do you want 0 rings and be a hall of famer??
 

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Speaking of 0 rings - Carmelo Anthony was back on the court last night for the Trail Blazers after being out of the league for over a year. And based on the commentary that I have heard, you would have thought that he had a bit of rust, but played through that and was exemplary. Scored 10 points and had 4 rebounds as the Blazers lost to the Pelicans.

Let's do the deeper dive...10 points came on 4/14 shooting. No offensive rebounds. No assists. 5 personal fouls. 5 turnovers. A team worst -20 +/- rating - twice as high as any other starter, and achieved in 10 less minutes of playing time than any other starter. Meanwhile, Nassir Little played one less minute, took 8 less shots, but still managed to score 2 more points. Had 11 rebounds, including 4 offensive. Had an assist, a steal, 2 blocks and only had 1 turnover. And had the highest +/- rating on the team.

Someone explain why they felt the need to bring Carmelo in???
 

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Probably to keep him in a good mood....He will probably slowly get more playing later.....

It took the Rockets about a month to realize his defensive liabilities were too great to keep him on the floor for any stretch of time.

Love all the love being given to the Lakers and LeBron and AD, especially with their best in the league record. Can't wait to see them actually play anyone of note - they are 1-2 against teams with winning records and 11-0 against teams with a losing record. Will also see how long LBJ keeps up his minutes played pace - especially with all the load management talk going around.

Ben Simmons hit a 3 last night in a victory over the Knicks - he currently leads the NBA in 3 point FG pct at 1.000! If the Sixers plan on winning the East, and eventually the Finals, he needs that shot in his arsenal.

What are the chances that the Warriors get 9 wins or less this year and tie/break the all time record for losses set by Sixers back in the 70's. That would look so good on Kerr's resume - best record ever...worst record ever.
 

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Always a bride's maid, never a bride.

The Beard enters this game trailing only Wilt Chamberlain for the most points through 15 team games in a single season. James Harden's 38.4 PPG are currently on pace to tie Chamberlain for the third-highest scoring average in NBA history. Should Harden average "only" 35 PPG for the 2019-20 season, he would join Chamberlain as the only players to average 35 PPG on multiple occasions, per ESPN Stats & Info.

Got to love them stats, but let's adjust for the three point shot and see where things lay.
 
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The man credited with breaking professional basketball’s color barrier has died.
The University of Utah announced on Thursday that Wataru "Wat" Misaka died at 95 years old in Salt Lake City on Wednesday.
Misaka played for Utah on their 1944 NCAA championship team and 1947 NIT championship team that defeated Adolph Rupp’s Kentucky Wildcats before being selected by the New York Knicks with the 61st pick of the Basketball Association of America draft. The BAA would go on to merge with the NBA in 1949.
"We are saddened to learn of the passing of Wat Misaka," Utah athletic director Mark Harlan said in a statement. "He was a part of the Utah teams that won national championships in the 1940s, but Wat was bigger than the game of basketball, blazing trails into places nobody of his descent had gone before. He was such a kind and thoughtful man and will be missed by so many.”
Wasaka played just three games and scored seven points for the Knicks. But those three games marked the first played by a non-white player at pro basketball’s highest level.

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The man credited with breaking professional basketball’s color barrier has died.
The University of Utah announced on Thursday that Wataru "Wat" Misaka died at 95 years old in Salt Lake City on Wednesday.
Misaka played for Utah on their 1944 NCAA championship team and 1947 NIT championship team that defeated Adolph Rupp’s Kentucky Wildcats before being selected by the New York Knicks with the 61st pick of the Basketball Association of America draft. The BAA would go on to merge with the NBA in 1949.
"We are saddened to learn of the passing of Wat Misaka," Utah athletic director Mark Harlan said in a statement. "He was a part of the Utah teams that won national championships in the 1940s, but Wat was bigger than the game of basketball, blazing trails into places nobody of his descent had gone before. He was such a kind and thoughtful man and will be missed by so many.”
Wasaka played just three games and scored seven points for the Knicks. But those three games marked the first played by a non-white player at pro basketball’s highest level.

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I saw that the other day - had no idea who he was in historical context. Won't be mentioned in the same breath as Jackie Robinson (although who truly could be), but still a pioneer in his own right!!
 

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here is an unbreakable record.

Doncic needed just 88 games to reach 2,000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists, which is the second-fewest games in NBA history needed to reach those marks behind only Oscar Robertson's 66 games. On Sunday, Doncic recorded his second career 40-point, 10-assist game, joining LeBron James (three) as the only players with multiple such games before turning 21. That is just the beginning of what Luka has accomplished this season; Doncic is averaging a 30-point triple-double over his past 15 games, tied with Michael Jordan for the fourth-longest span in NBA history. Oscar Robertson claims the record at 454 games. No really.
 

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here is an unbreakable record.

Doncic needed just 88 games to reach 2,000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists, which is the second-fewest games in NBA history needed to reach those marks behind only Oscar Robertson's 66 games. On Sunday, Doncic recorded his second career 40-point, 10-assist game, joining LeBron James (three) as the only players with multiple such games before turning 21. That is just the beginning of what Luka has accomplished this season; Doncic is averaging a 30-point triple-double over his past 15 games, tied with Michael Jordan for the fourth-longest span in NBA history. Oscar Robertson claims the record at 454 games. No really.

I heard some of this on the radio the other day -- the one that caught my attention is that Doncic has the same number of rebounds through 88 games as Yao Ming did. That is crazy. And Oscars triple double average for what amounts to 5+ seasons is also crazy - would be curious where Michael Westbrook is on that list - seems like he has averaged a triple double for the past 2 or 3 years.
 

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I heard some of this on the radio the other day -- the one that caught my attention is that Doncic has the same number of rebounds through 88 games as Yao Ming did. That is crazy. And Oscars triple double average for what amounts to 5+ seasons is also crazy - would be curious where Michael Westbrook is on that list - seems like he has averaged a triple double for the past 2 or 3 years.

Westbrook might not get his season triple double playing with Harden. But his averages may be high enough that he could ride it out for awhile.
 

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Westbrook might not get his season triple double playing with Harden. But his averages may be high enough that he could ride it out for awhile.

True - the Rockets play a little different style than the Thunder did - and it all runs through Harden.

Missed the part about it being a 30 point average for the triple double - I don't think Westbrooks PPG is high enough. Thought he averaged in the 28-29 point range the past couple years.

Should be interesting to see how the folks at the Smoothie King Center react to AD coming home tonight. I personally thought his exit was classless, especially the "that's all folks" shirt that he wore on the bench for his last home game.
 

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After a 17-2 start to their season, the Lakers kicked off December with a loss to the Mavs. Very curious to see how the season plays out for them, since they are one of the older teams in the league. They aren't blowing people out and AD and Lebron are logging a lot of minutes already. With load management as a thing now, surprised they aren't sitting AD/Lebron for extended minutes or just alternating the games they play.
They also had one of, if not THE, easiest schedule to open the year - now they start playing tougher teams.
 

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We all know how bad officiating is in every sport, but the NBA has taken it to new levels over the past two nights.

The Harden dunk against the Spurs that spun out of the bottom of the net and the refs completely blew it by saying it was a missed shot.

The LeBron walk/carry/double dribble last night against the Jazz - that was unbelievable that it could be missed, especially with a ref 15 feet away.

What needs to happen for those calls to be reviewable??? If not calls like that, why even have the review process? There was another one in the Sixers game against the Knicks earlier this week, that was a blatant goal tend, and the refs wouldn't let the Sixers challenge it.

Not sure if the Lebron or Sixers call would have affected the outcome, but the Rockets ended up losing in 2OT, those 2 points could have been a difference maker......
 

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It seems like standards have lowered over the years. When is the last time a player got called for palming the ball. James Harden went for 24 of 24 free throws this week. But it's James harden. Would a journeyman player even get the calls. The stars always get to the line, even with some ridiculaous looking plays.
 

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Give credit where credit is due

Tuesday night, James Harden scored 50 points. (52 if you watch the tape). In terms of raw volume, 50 points is very good. But how did he get there? Harden went 11-of-38 from the field. 32.4% across 38 attempts is very bad.Harden went 4-of-20 from deep. 20.0% across 20 attempts is very, very bad. Harden went 24-of-24 from the line. 100.0% across 24 attempts is positively unconscious.

Harden needed 38 field goal attempts and 24 free throw attempts to produce 50 points. Put that line into the TS% formula and you get this:

50/2 x (38 + .44 x 24)

Resulting in a one-game TS% of 51.5%.

Meaning: Harden was atrocious from the field, but his perfection from the line somewhat balanced it out. Not only the fact that Harden was 100.0% from the line, but it was equally important that he posted a high volume of free throw attempts.

A 51.5% TS% is still well below the current league average of 55.9%. A 58.0 TS% is very good. Anything over 60.0% is elite. Thankfully, Harden's TS% for the year is a supernatural 62.9%. Harden's 62.9 TS% is 15th in the NBA. Mo Wagner leads the league with a 70.8% TS%. But Wagner's only averaging 9.5 combined field goal and free throw attempts per game. Harden is averaging 39.7 combined attempts.

Result: Harden's going to have a bigger net positive effect on your team's bottom line.

The formula is not obvious. You would think the .44 factor would vary by player. I think that is the overall value when combing the 1,2, and 3 point shat. I would have never thought this of Harden as it seems like he is just a ball hog.
 

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Tuesday night, James Harden scored 50 points. (52 if you watch the tape). In terms of raw volume, 50 points is very good. But how did he get there? Harden went 11-of-38 from the field. 32.4% across 38 attempts is very bad.Harden went 4-of-20 from deep. 20.0% across 20 attempts is very, very bad. Harden went 24-of-24 from the line. 100.0% across 24 attempts is positively unconscious.

Harden needed 38 field goal attempts and 24 free throw attempts to produce 50 points. Put that line into the TS% formula and you get this:

50/2 x (38 + .44 x 24)

Resulting in a one-game TS% of 51.5%.

Meaning: Harden was atrocious from the field, but his perfection from the line somewhat balanced it out. Not only the fact that Harden was 100.0% from the line, but it was equally important that he posted a high volume of free throw attempts.

A 51.5% TS% is still well below the current league average of 55.9%. A 58.0 TS% is very good. Anything over 60.0% is elite. Thankfully, Harden's TS% for the year is a supernatural 62.9%. Harden's 62.9 TS% is 15th in the NBA. Mo Wagner leads the league with a 70.8% TS%. But Wagner's only averaging 9.5 combined field goal and free throw attempts per game. Harden is averaging 39.7 combined attempts.

Result: Harden's going to have a bigger net positive effect on your team's bottom line.

The formula is not obvious. You would think the .44 factor would vary by player. I think that is the overall value when combing the 1,2, and 3 point shat. I would have never thought this of Harden as it seems like he is just a ball hog.

I think your last statement is the truest of all - he is a ball hog. To get 24 FT attempts in a game - logic would say he took an additional 12 shots. He does get 8 or 9 assists a game, but those seem to be the only 8 or 9 possessions a game that he doesn't hoist up a shot. And I would bet that of those 8 or 9 assists, half are just lobs when he penetrates into the lane and throws it up for Capella. Is he talented, yes. Is he fun to watch, no. Just like always, in the playoffs, the refs will start calling all his push offs and lowering of the shoulder and he won't be as effective.

In other news - I may have been to quick to judge Carmelo in Portland. He seems to be fitting in quite nicely, after watching a couple of games, their offense is tailor made for him. There is zero ball movement and it is basically all isolation, which is exactly what he wants.
 

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I think your last statement is the truest of all - he is a ball hog. To get 24 FT attempts in a game - logic would say he took an additional 12 shots. He does get 8 or 9 assists a game, but those seem to be the only 8 or 9 possessions a game that he doesn't hoist up a shot. And I would bet that of those 8 or 9 assists, half are just lobs when he penetrates into the lane and throws it up for Capella. Is he talented, yes. Is he fun to watch, no. Just like always, in the playoffs, the refs will start calling all his push offs and lowering of the shoulder and he won't be as effective.

In other news - I may have been to quick to judge Carmelo in Portland. He seems to be fitting in quite nicely, after watching a couple of games, their offense is tailor made for him. There is zero ball movement and it is basically all isolation, which is exactly what he wants.

If he wasn't James Harden, he wouldn't get so many free throws. I've seen many three point attempts were he lunges forward and gets a rediculous call. And of course he gets three free thow attempts from them. There is no comparison for scoring records. I think the three point shot has outlived it's usefulness. It's changed the game so much, that you have two players standing on the line each play waiting for a pass.
 

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If he wasn't James Harden, he wouldn't get so many free throws. I've seen many three point attempts were he lunges forward and gets a rediculous call. And of course he gets three free thow attempts from them. There is no comparison for scoring records. I think the three point shot has outlived it's usefulness. It's changed the game so much, that you have two players standing on the line each play waiting for a pass.

Personally, I love the 3 ball, it feels like it has opened up the game. The days of everything bogged down around the lane with a boat anchor big man clogging things up are much more infrequent now. If they could get rid of the flopping and the kicking the leg out to draw contact on jumpers and just overall bad officiating, the game would be even better.

First coaching casualty of the season, apparently 4 wins is good enough for Steve Kerr to keep his job in Golden State, but not good enough for David Fizdale to keep his with the Knicks. At least the Sixers had a plan for their constant years of stinking up the joint - not sure if I see a Process in the works at Madison Square!
 

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The Heat beat the Sixers last night in Philly - first home loss of the year for the Sixers, they were the last undefeated team at home left.

And to make it worse, the Heat showed exactly how to beat them - they set up a 2-3 zone and dared Philly to shoot from the outside.
 
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