2008 Topps Heritage Confusion

[Boots]

Please help me out on this, though I am late and, probably, just an idiot.
I'm working on putting this set together, with the help of God (and my fellow Benchers), but I can't figure it out. It is not just a pricing issue, but that is part of it as I don't subscribe to Beckett online. In any event can anyone help me understand this set?
As I understand it, the base set (#s 1-425) is green back. Of those, some greenbacks were shortprinted. They are listed in my Beckett Baseball monthly as "Common GB SP" or "GB SP Semis" or "GB SP Unlisted."
Then Beckett has "Common SPs", and "SP Unlisted Stars". WHat are these? Are they green back or black back? How do you determine if you have only the card #?
Then I guess there are black back cards. Are these a variation of the green back base (meaning there is both a green back and black back) or something else?
I also have a list that sets forth the "Short Prints" and the "Black back variations." Where do these fit in with respect to the foregoing?

Sorry for rambling on, but I am really confused (as you can tell). There is probably a simple explanatio, but I can't seem to figure it out!

Thanks!!
Frank

 

[seawolf17]

I'm assuming a "common SP" are the 426+ cards that are shortprinted. I don't believe any of them have a black-back variation.

Only the cards with a "green-back SP" have a black-back SP variation.

So each card 1-425 either has no variation or a GB/BB variation; and 426-500 has a bunch of SPs (although there are some non-SPs from 426+ also, so it's not just as easy as numbers).

 

[bratcher1]

Here is the list of 'BLACK BACK' cards from Beckett. Each of these has a green back version that is listed as a 'GB SP'. The standard short prints are all green back and are numbers 426-500 and 686-720 (the following are NOT SP's: 439, 460, 478, and 720). Hope this helps, Mike

BLACK BACKS:

2 Placido Polanco $0.40 $1.00
3 Eric Byrnes $0.40 $1.00
5 Javier Vazquez $0.40 $1.00
7 Joey Gathright $0.40 $1.00
8 Philadelphia Phillies $0.40 $1.00
9 Andre Ethier $0.60 $1.50
12 Curt Schilling $0.60 $1.50
13 Billy Wagner $0.40 $1.00
14 Gary Matthews $0.40 $1.00
16 Ichiro Suzuki $1.50 $4.00
18 Dontrelle Willis $0.40 $1.00
21 Troy Tulowitzki $0.60 $1.50
22 Brian Fuentes $0.40 $1.00
23 Robinson Cano $0.60 $1.50
24 Felix Hernandez $0.60 $1.50
28 Ivan Rodriguez $0.60 $1.50
34 Ordonez/Granderson $0.40 $1.00
35 Adam LaRoche $0.40 $1.00
40 Tim Hudson $0.40 $1.00
41 Kelvim Escobar $0.40 $1.00
42 Jason Jennings $0.40 $1.00
45 Chris Ray $0.40 $1.00
49 Bill Hall $0.40 $1.00
52 Omar Vizquel $0.40 $1.00
54 Justin Upton $1.00 $2.50
57 Brad Lidge $0.40 $1.00
58 Paul Lo Duca $0.40 $1.00
60 Andy Pettitte $0.60 $1.50
61 Brendan Harris $0.40 $1.00
62 Chris Young $0.40 $1.00
65 Jason Giambi $0.60 $1.50
67 Rich Hill $0.40 $1.00
69 San Francisco Giants $0.40 $1.00
71 Trevor Hoffman $0.40 $1.00
78 Josh Hamilton $1.25 $3.00
79 Mark Loretta $0.40 $1.00
81 Torii Hunter $0.40 $1.00
82 Carlos Beltran $0.40 $1.00
83 Jason Isringhausen $0.40 $1.00
84 Brad Penny $0.40 $1.00
90 Hideki Matsui $1.00 $2.50
91 Matt Garza $0.40 $1.00
92 Phil Hughes $1.00 $2.50
94 Chicago White Sox $0.40 $1.00
98 Jon Garland $0.40 $1.00
102 Moises Alou $0.40 $1.00
116 Wladimir Balentien $0.40 $1.00
117 Daric Barton $0.40 $1.00
122 Ross Detwiler $1.00 $2.50
126 Dan Giese $0.40 $1.00
127 Alberto Gonzalez $0.60 $1.50
129 Luke Hochevar $0.60 $1.50
130 Chin-Lung Hu $0.60 $1.50
135 Mitch Stetter $0.60 $1.50
150 Albert Pujols $2.00 $5.00
155 Johnny Damon $0.60 $1.50
173 Ronny Paulino $0.40 $1.00
174 Mike Cameron $0.40 $1.00
175 Jeff Weaver $0.40 $1.00
176 Preston Wilson $0.40 $1.00
177 Robinson Tejeda $0.40 $1.00
178 Adam Lind $0.40 $1.00
179 Austin Kearns $0.40 $1.00
180 Jorge Posada $0.60 $1.50
185 Brad Hawpe $0.40 $1.00
186 Rickie Weeks $0.40 $1.00
187 Carlos Silva $0.40 $1.00
195 Carlos Quentin $0.40 $1.00
196 Jose Valverde $0.40 $1.00
197 Derrek Lee $0.60 $1.50
198 Jerry Owens $0.40 $1.00
210 J.J. Putz $0.40 $1.00
211 Mike Sweeney $0.40 $1.00
224 David Wright $1.25 $3.00
225 Pedro Martinez $0.60 $1.50
226 Rich Harden $0.40 $1.00
227 Shane Victorino $0.40 $1.00
228 Andrew Miller $0.60 $1.50
262 Billingsley/Lowe/Penny $0.40 $1.00
263 Melky Cabrera $0.40 $1.00
264 Shannon Stewart $0.40 $1.00
265 Aaron Rowand $0.40 $1.00
266 Matt Morris $0.40 $1.00
267 Xavier Nady $0.40 $1.00
283 Miguel Cabrera $0.60 $1.50
284 Luis Gonzalez $0.40 $1.00
285 Chad Billingsley $0.40 $1.00
286 Tony Gwynn $0.40 $1.00
291 Chico/Bergmann $0.40 $1.00
301 Ronnie Belliard $0.40 $1.00
321 Randy Winn $0.40 $1.00
322 Richie Sexson $0.40 $1.00
323 Juan Encarnacion $0.40 $1.00
324 Rick Ankiel $0.40 $1.00
325 Dan Wheeler $0.40 $1.00
330 Ty Wigginton $0.40 $1.00
332 Howie Kendrick $0.40 $1.00
333 Kevin Kouzmanoff $0.40 $1.00
334 Matt Holliday $0.60 $1.50
335 Brandon Phillips $0.40 $1.00
336 Ian Kinsler $0.60 $1.50
337 Lyle Overbay $0.40 $1.00
338 Justin Verlander $0.60 $1.50
347 Chuck James $0.40 $1.00
350 Jimmy Rollins $0.60 $1.50
360 Magglio Ordonez $0.60 $1.50
370 Justin Verlander BT $0.60 $1.50
371 Pedro Martinez BT $0.60 $1.50
372 Ryan Howard BT $1.25 $3.00
415 Freddy Sanchez $0.40 $1.00
514 Brandon Backe $0.40 $1.00
523 Jose Molina $0.40 $1.00
529 Frank Catalanotto $0.40 $1.00
531 Ryan Doumit $0.40 $1.00
532 Willie Bloomquist $0.40 $1.00
538 Brian Buscher $0.40 $1.00
539 Kelly Shoppach $0.40 $1.00
541 Jon Rauch $0.40 $1.00
542 Ramon Castro $0.40 $1.00
545 Justin Masterson $2.00 $5.00
549 Jeremy Sowers $0.40 $1.00
557 Dallas Braden $0.40 $1.00
563 Doug Mientkiewicz $0.40 $1.00
579 Jose Guillen $0.40 $1.00
581 Gabe Kapler $0.40 $1.00
583 Ramon Vazquez $0.40 $1.00
584 Wes Helms $0.40 $1.00
592 Mike Hampton $0.40 $1.00
595 Clayton Kershaw $2.00 $5.00
596 Cliff Floyd $0.40 $1.00
597 Sidney Ponson $0.40 $1.00
602 Scott Hairston $0.40 $1.00
607 Kevin Millar $0.40 $1.00
619 Blake DeWitt $1.00 $2.50
621 Jeff Samardzija $1.25 $3.00
626 Carlos Marmol $0.40 $1.00
639 Mike Redmond $0.40 $1.00
649 David Dellucci $0.40 $1.00
651 Martin Prado $0.40 $1.00
653 Alfredo Amezaga $0.40 $1.00
655 Angel Berroa $0.40 $1.00
659 Ryan Freel $0.40 $1.00
661 Endy Chavez $0.40 $1.00
672 Taylor Teagarden $0.60 $1.50
682 Zach Miner $0.40 $1.00

 

[Go Fish!!]

I don't really have much to add here other than I'm really considering doing the 2010 set..But with all the sp and variations I don't know if I want the headache that will surely come with building the set..I love the look of all the heritage sets but it seems like it is a very costly set to put together due to all the sp's..

good luck

 

[HoosierBuddy]

You don't need to subscribe to the OPG to use the search feature, and to get cut-and-paste checklists, albiet checklists with a lot of formatting headaches.