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The Bench Baseball RC Draft 1.0
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I have no problem moderating and holding the cards, etc. I would recommend (and will recommend to all considering holding one of these in the future) that the players/cards chosen be known and have either already proven themselves or have upside. A $25 BV RC parallel of a guy who flamed out in 2019 has no upside and shame on Beckett for not adjusting properly.
Thanlks Andy for doimg this Well hopefully we will get some members to sign up -
If the football thread is any foreshadowing, might have to send in 5 Soto rookies so nobodies feelings get hurt. LOL
P.S. Im mulling it over. Might jump in if others show interest.
Oh heck with it. Count me in. Camping this weekend so Ill be away from my cards. And just to clerify, only rookie logo cards or do bowman 1st count as rookies even though technically theyre not?
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forget it not enough interest
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forget no enough interest
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You say no interest, but it seems like you also gave less than 24 hours for people to say they were interested.
I am sure if you have it a while longer for people to sign up, then maybe you would get the people.
I agree with @katester44 though, the cards should be approved by someone first, both of the bench drafts we have done so far seems to have been a way that a few members dumped worthless cards that Beckett hadn’t updated prices on yet. I wouldn’t want to turn 5 Soto/Acuna/Guerrero etc rookies into 5 Kevin Maas rookies just because Beckett marked them at $20.
I am sure if you have it a while longer for people to sign up, then maybe you would get the people.
I agree with @katester44 though, the cards should be approved by someone first, both of the bench drafts we have done so far seems to have been a way that a few members dumped worthless cards that Beckett hadn’t updated prices on yet. I wouldn’t want to turn 5 Soto/Acuna/Guerrero etc rookies into 5 Kevin Maas rookies just because Beckett marked them at $20.
137 viewed it with on 6 replies with 1 yes and a maybe....guess people welp can't send in my garage or junk RCs so I am not doing it
might as well create a junk/garbage baseball draft let me get rid of players no ones ever heard of because Beckett says there BV is
$10 or more
I dont have enough baseball RC to participate, but it seems the general consensus is peeps are disappointed about the value (not quality) of the cards...the football draft taught me that...and it does surprise me that some feel their opinion is the only point of view...we could certainly base the card value on sold prices, but good luck negotiating that if the card you want to contibute hasnt sold in awhile...becketts is the only other independent value...the original premise was cards you dont want for a shot at cards you may want...somehow the conversation shifted to card prices and the hot player...
while I'm spouting, very disappointed in the quitters in the football draft...what I wanted to ask is if they want cheese with that whine...they were very selfish in my opinion, and missed an opportunity to make the best of a less than terrific situation...I think that is called personal growth...
while I'm spouting, very disappointed in the quitters in the football draft...what I wanted to ask is if they want cheese with that whine...they were very selfish in my opinion, and missed an opportunity to make the best of a less than terrific situation...I think that is called personal growth...
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The first one we did seemed to go a lot better. A lot of nice cards contributed to that one. There were some cards that were given that met the requirements of Beckett value, but I would question why that card was at that value. But, those were the rules given, and they were followed. No one tried to bend the rules at all which is why I think it went over well.
The football one was different. There were cards submitted that did not meet the actual requirements, and some of the cards given, though meeting the Becket requirement, we’re complete garbage. It seemed to me that some people in that one tried to take advantage of the system and turn cards that were worthless into cards that were actually worth $25-30. That is a crummy thing to do in my opinion.
I think the only way around that is to have participants have to announce the cards they will be contributing prior to entering. Allow those who are participating to veto any card submitted. That will keep it more fair. We would have to work out the fine details on who and how to veto, but I do not understand why the cards are being kept secret until the day before the draft. The only reason to keep it secret is to allow someone to submit things without anyone else knowing who submitted which allows them to send garbage. Any professional sport draft is not kept secret, you know who will be in the draft months ahead of the draft, this should be the same.
I will say, I will not participate in another one if it is a blind draft again. The first one went great, but the football one showed just how bad it could be.
All just my 2 cents though.
That's the problem. All the cards submitted did meet the requirements in the Football Draft. In fact, one of the complainers was one who sent in a card that did not meet the requirements. The only requirements were 1) Football cards, 2) Minimum BV of $12, and 3) Raw Cards in nice condition. It did not say anything else.
The quote from Shig's original Football Draft post:
"Card Criteria:
Football only. And that's American football. None of that soccer stuff. I personally would make it NFL only, but not gonna make a restriction as I know a lot of people like and collect the college stuff.
Your FIVE cards must total at least $100 in current BV, with no maximum amount set. Send FIVE cards, each with a minimum book value according to Becketts OPG of $12. There's no max amount for a card's bv, but don't cheat yourself. If you don't have access to football Beckett, feel free to pm me a list of cards you need priced and I'll be happy to get back to you with bv's quickly.
Raw cards only, no graded. As for condition, I don't think anyone here needs to be told to not send anything rough or creased. If you are unsure though about a card's condition, feel free to send me a scan/ pic of it."
As @NEPatriotsFan said, "the original premise was cards you dont want for a shot at cards you may want." That was the premise for both drafts. It didn't say "Send in your top RCs and your superstar patch cards." It was meant to be a fun way to mix up your tradelist and to maybe pick up some PC cards. If certain people "sent in cards that other people would really want," they were going beyond the parameters of the Draft requirements, and had no right to complain. I am sure that there were people who enjoyed the "junk" of the NFL card Draft as a fun way to mix up cards. There were others who were hoping to score a Dan Marino RC, and they were the ones disappointed. I do not think anyone was trying to take advantage of anything. Few, if any of the cards, in the NFL card Draft, were hot cards. A Trevor Lawrence Prizm card that had a BV of $25 and was probably considered one the 'better' cards, sells on Ebay for $1-$2 - the same or less than many of the so-called "junk" cards.
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I truly think the Drafts can work - but there will need to be two main types of draft - ones that focus on Sell Value and those that focus on Book Value. Going forward, all draft parameters need to be laid out clearly with super-detailed minutia. The problem could be for a draft that requires "superstars" or "hot cards" is that they are highly subjective. What you think is a superstar, someone else might not. The idea of vetoing would get very tricky and elitist.
I would love to have truly junk draft, as some true collectors might. You have a Livan Hernandez parallel that books $40 or a Reese McGuire Auto that books $50, no problem! - as I'm sure as long as you have the same type of collectors in the same draft, there would be people happy to get them.
Just some of my thoughts as I think people, in general, like this idea, but, just like anything else, the kinks need to be worked out.
Scobes
I agree with you, and firmly believe that one man’s junk is another man’s prized possession in this hobby. That only applies to hobbiests and true collectors though. Eighth now in this hobby, there are too many people who are only in it to make money. TheBench used to be one place that was free of that, and there are now members here who that is their only goal.That's the problem. All the cards submitted did meet the requirements in the Football Draft. In fact, one of the complainers was one who sent in a card that did not meet the requirements. The only requirements were 1) Football cards, 2) Minimum BV of $12, and 3) Raw Cards in nice condition. It did not say anything else.
The quote from Shig's original Football Draft post:
"Card Criteria:
Football only. And that's American football. None of that soccer stuff. I personally would make it NFL only, but not gonna make a restriction as I know a lot of people like and collect the college stuff.
Your FIVE cards must total at least $100 in current BV, with no maximum amount set. Send FIVE cards, each with a minimum book value according to Becketts OPG of $12. There's no max amount for a card's bv, but don't cheat yourself. If you don't have access to football Beckett, feel free to pm me a list of cards you need priced and I'll be happy to get back to you with bv's quickly.
Raw cards only, no graded. As for condition, I don't think anyone here needs to be told to not send anything rough or creased. If you are unsure though about a card's condition, feel free to send me a scan/ pic of it."
As @NEPatriotsFan said, "the original premise was cards you dont want for a shot at cards you may want." That was the premise for both drafts. It didn't say "Send in your top RCs and your superstar patch cards." It was meant to be a fun way to mix up your tradelist and to maybe pick up some PC cards. If certain people "sent in cards that other people would really want," they were going beyond the parameters of the Draft requirements, and had no right to complain. I am sure that there were people who enjoyed the "junk" of the NFL card Draft as a fun way to mix up cards. There were others who were hoping to score a Dan Marino RC, and they were the ones disappointed. I do not think anyone was trying to take advantage of anything. Few, if any of the cards, in the NFL card Draft, were hot cards. A Trevor Lawrence Prizm card that had a BV of $25 and was probably considered one the 'better' cards, sells on Ebay for $1-$2 - the same or less than many of the so-called "junk" cards.
Prizm Draft T.Lawrence sold cards on Ebay:
prizm draft trevor lawrence 181 for sale | eBay
Get the best deals for prizm draft trevor lawrence 181 at eBay.com. We have a great online selection at the lowest prices with Fast & Free shipping on many items!www.ebay.com
I truly think the Drafts can work - but there will need to be two main types of draft - ones that focus on Sell Value and those that focus on Book Value. Going forward, all draft parameters need to be laid out clearly with super-detailed minutia. The problem could be for a draft that requires "superstars" or "hot cards" is that they are highly subjective. What you think is a superstar, someone else might not. The idea of vetoing would get very tricky and elitist.
I would love to have truly junk draft, as some true collectors might. You have a Livan Hernandez parallel that books $40 or a Reese McGuire Auto that books $50, no problem! - as I'm sure as long as you have the same type of collectors in the same draft, there would be people happy to get them.
Just some of my thoughts as I think people, in general, like this idea, but, just like anything else, the kinks need to be worked out.
Scobes
There was at least one $10 card in the lot, so at least one time someone did not follow the rules.
I don’t know if going by SV is right either, as that fluctuates too much day to day or sometimes even hour to hour. My idea of being able to veto would give each participant just one veto. So after all cards are posted (before shipping) you have 24 hours to veto one and only one card that is intended to submit. Veto’s could then be overridden by at least one person in the group stating that they would want the card, which means it would be drafted happily by someone. The person who tried to veto the card, but then was overridden lost their veto, so they can’t go back and veto a different card.
I think something along those lines would allow the group to come to a consensus that Beckett got a card wrong (which they do a lot), but also allows someone who may love that card a chance to still have it available.
We all know there are cards that Beckett will put at $30, but aren’t worth anything. I have had cards that had higher BV that I tried to give away for free and still no one took them. Why would we want a card in our draft that literally could not be given away?
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the first draft. I gave away two of my picks, and near the end of the draft, when my last two picks would have been, there were still cards left that at least a friend of mine would have enjoyed, and cards that I thought were complete garbage actually went high in the draft.
The football one I did not feel the same way, and I was obviously not the only person who felt like that. I would have been livid if the first one had gone that way, when I submit HOF rookies, and RPAs of current players, and everyone else submits BC Gold Autos of a player who spent six months in the minors 12 years ago and then nothing else. Beckett will list that card at $40 because they are lazy. They say the base auto is $4, and the Gold has a 10x multiplier therefore $40. We all know that is not right.
Again, just my 2 cents. If everyone loves doing it blind, and allowing garbage to be sent in with no controls, then by all means, enjoy and I hope everyone has fun with it. For me, if something doesn’t change, then I’m out.
Man, I don’t understand why this has to be so difficult. When we did these years ago on another site the rules were simple. We never had any disputes in the dozen or so that I was in.
We did drafts gu/au, rookies, vintage, TTM… You name it. They all ran smoothly and everybody got along.
I think here, people had different ideas of what the draft was about. The baseball/other draft we did here it was made clear to send in cards you don’t want. If we were to do one in the future we will be fine as long as everybody knows what is expected up front.
As to what’s junk and what’s not, common sense goes a long way. A 40 dollar card of a guy who didn’t pan out is not the same as a 40 dollar hall of famer. Our first draft, I sent in 3 hall of famers, will Clark, and Jose canseco.
I didn’t expect that from others because I read the rules.
These are for fun.
We did drafts gu/au, rookies, vintage, TTM… You name it. They all ran smoothly and everybody got along.
I think here, people had different ideas of what the draft was about. The baseball/other draft we did here it was made clear to send in cards you don’t want. If we were to do one in the future we will be fine as long as everybody knows what is expected up front.
As to what’s junk and what’s not, common sense goes a long way. A 40 dollar card of a guy who didn’t pan out is not the same as a 40 dollar hall of famer. Our first draft, I sent in 3 hall of famers, will Clark, and Jose canseco.
I didn’t expect that from others because I read the rules.
These are for fun.
Here was the criteria I put forth on the original post 2 RCs w/BV $10-$20 1 RC w/BV of $25-$30 1 RC w/BV of $40-$50 and 1 RC parallel w/BV of $20+ now this was no means etched in stone I'll do this but we just can't rely on Beckett and there out of touch with reality or not updated
BVs I've been using site called sportscardinvestor.com pretty good site....They also post content on YouTube--Geoff Wilson the owner seems
like he loves the hobby --on there website they have a price guide link were they show the latest up to date to what a card sold for I put
in 2011 Topps Update Paul Goldschmidt sold for $30.00 Beckett finally moved to from $40 to $50 ..personally card should be $60.00+ as he
might win the triple crown...if you all want to restart this puppy let me and I will
BVs I've been using site called sportscardinvestor.com pretty good site....They also post content on YouTube--Geoff Wilson the owner seems
like he loves the hobby --on there website they have a price guide link were they show the latest up to date to what a card sold for I put
in 2011 Topps Update Paul Goldschmidt sold for $30.00 Beckett finally moved to from $40 to $50 ..personally card should be $60.00+ as he
might win the triple crown...if you all want to restart this puppy let me and I will
I've never done one of these, but when you say "send in cards you don’t want", that seems very subjective. So why wouldn't someone send in, for example, a printing plate of a rookie that never made it? I don't know how you get around it unless you have very specific requirements.
I was in a hof rookie draft once. Talk about fun. This is before Griffey was even in the hall of fame. “Worst” card was a Winfield RC.
I would probably be in on this. I think though that maybe we limit the years that can be used. I think that would make everything a bit better, but I would be down for something along these lines. I would need to see some very clear rules for this. What definition of RC are we using? You state one RC parallel as needing to be submitted, can you submit multiple or just one? Can someone not participate if they don’t have a parallel RC, but can give another $20 RC instead? What about Bowman 1st of someone who has already made it to the majors? What about Mark McGwire? Is 1985 his rookie? Or is it a USA card? Derek Jeter has rookies from 1993, 1994 and 1995…
This one can get pretty confusing if it was just rookies.
