Anyone seen this UD garbage?

[mrmopar]

I don't know anything about the issue, other than these cards flew onto my radar because of Garvey. These sellers are PROBABLY insane for asking these prices, but then again I have been wrong before. You can't predict what an unpredictable market will bring for some of this stuff.

These would be a great cards (if they were properly licensed and made like "real" cards) if they weren't basically pack fillers with sticker autos stuck to them and numbered to 10-15 copies. No teams, no photos. They could be modern day broders essentially!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20078706409...FX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1432.l2649#ht_500wt_1336

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25110001788...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1432.l2649#ht_2508wt_1087

 

[Copeskey45]

I agree completely! UD doesn't have the approval to use team logos or pictures so they come out with this crap. Complete waste of money if you ask me.

 

[Dilferules]

Wow, I had heard about this set and there was some speculation it wouldn't have pictures, but...wow. The little silhouettes are just laughable. It should be a crime to waste good autograph stickers on this junk. Especially deceased players like Gary Carter!
Richard

 

[BoomerSooner]

UD is licensed to make these types of cards- by the MLBPA. If they were licensed by MLB, then they could use logos. UD has a multi-year agreement with the players association for sportscards, so implying these cards are "broders" isn't really accurate. While many collectors, myself included, like actual logos/images on cards, autograph collectors would probably have no issue with these,as they focus solely on the sigs, albeit sticker sigs.

 

[sinocc]

I totally disagree! This is complete crap and garbage and anyone who thinks these cards are going to be worth hanging onto has a big surprise in store! I know nobody who would want these in their collections. NOBODY!

To say that just because they are signed, collectors will want them, that is pure speculation based on no evidence or reality. They are trash and I would not have one of these in my collection if you paid me to do so!

 

[Copeskey45]

What I dont get is why does UD think that people want this stuff? Sure people want an auto but usually accompanied by a picture of the player who signed it ON THE CARD lol.

 

[mrmopar]

Obviously they are licensed, but w/o photos, logos and team names, they are basically broders to me...and bad ones at that. At least the broders "stole" the logos, images, etc and had decent looking cards in some cases.

Yes, getting 4 or 6 likely authentic autographs is fine in any form for most autograph collectors, but those 4 or 6 autographs together might set you back $20/$30 in 3x5 or cut form. By grouping them, using some lame graphics and numbering them, UD has created something that is now artificially scarce that SOME people will buy and pay more for. I'm sure the eventual buyers will pay more than what it would cost to obtain single sticker/cut (non-card) autos of those players and there is probably a small market of people who really, really want these still, despite what I think about them.

I will try to get both cards myself, but I won't be lured into paying crazy prices for them. If I don't get them, then I don't get them. I offered what I felt was reasonable prices on both cards and was rejected on both. Not a big deal. If Garvey wasn't included, I wouldn't want one at all.

UD is licensed to make these types of cards- by the MLBPA. If they were licensed by MLB, then they could use logos. UD has a multi-year agreement with the players association for sportscards, so implying these cards are "broders" isn't really accurate. While many collectors, myself included, like actual logos/images on cards, autograph collectors would probably have no issue with these,as they focus solely on the sigs, albeit sticker sigs.

 

[sinocc]

i hear ya!

i am putting together, slowly but surely, a HoF autographed certified card collection. i would never put this type of card in any collection no matter how desperate i am to get an autograph of a HoFer! i have trouble with the cut signatures but some of those are now the only way to ever get some HoFer autos but this new UD stuff is simply putrid and perverse!

my opinion and i am pretty sure that most collectors will back me up on this.

What I dont get is why does UD think that people want this stuff? Sure people want an auto but usually accompanied by a picture of the player who signed it ON THE CARD lol.

 

[mrmopar]

There is no doubt in my mind that they will sell. They are "certified" autographs, obviously leftovers from when UD was pumping out decent cards, before the licensing issue. To me, they rival a 3x5 card. You get an autograph w/o any picture. Nothing wrong with that at all.

If there were 100s of these, I would still not have a problem with it. The part that chaps me is the artificial scarcity that is created by making them in limited quantity and numbering them. The UD people are not dumb and they know player collectors out there will want these if their favorite player is featured. That will help sell the product.

I have 100s of Garvey autographs, but since this is a "legit" card issue, I would like one for my collection. I will not pay $100-200 for one though. In the end, if that is what the market says they are worth, that will be 2 more gaps in my collection. I'll back down and let those willing to buy the junk at high prices reap their rewards!!

I'll still say I think most buyers are buying them only for the novelty (multi-auto cards are popular, player collectors who need everything, etc) and like Signa Cuts, another ridiculously stupid idea and issue, will buy them begrudgingly.

 

[sinocc]

I still disagree! I am a Twins collector and a HoF auto collector and I won't come anywhere near these. I would rather have an in-person or through the mail card than these. These are ugly, don't tell the team names, have no logos or pictures, are limited quantities and, as you stated, are artificially scarce to prop them up in the market, and I hate Upper Deck to boot. Upper Deck has really not done much of anything to impress me or get me to even look at this refuse. So, you can believe what you want but I deal with many dealers, traders and collectors each day and I do not know ONE person who would want or buy this rubbish. Facts are facts and I would wager that 90%+ of collectors agree with my opinion and won't touch it.

 

[mrmopar]

I'd love to see them not sell at all and I completely agree that they suck, that was the point of my post to begin with, but sadly they will sell. There is no shortage of people with money to burn it seems. As for taste, luckily we all have our own variations of it. I hate them, you hate them, but there are people that won't care and will still buy them.

There is another Dodger quad that is up to $20+ so far with numerous bids.

As I noted, Signa Cuts was my previous most hated product, with Panini coming in a close 2nd. Those could have been decent, but they cut up TTM/IP baseball cards for their signature cuts and did a lousy job of it to boot! As for the UD cards, we have a new winner for worst card set EVER!

At least Panini used cities and non-uniformed photos for their junk products. Those were bad too, but nothing like this UD stuff.

 

[cmcjr99]

I know nobody who would want these in their collections. NOBODY!

can't really AFFORD them , but i (along with those people who have already bid on or won some of them) am living proof that some of us would LOVE to have them.....personally , i find them much more appealing than any autographed index cards , 5x7's , 8x10's , etc (unless said autograph was obtained by me in a face-to-face encounter which would provide much more meaning than the same item purchased from someone else).....

 

[baberuth#3]

I don't mind the looks of the first one. I don't like the "shadow players" on the second one. Even so, they seem like OK cards if you can't afford going and spending a bajillion dollars on HOF autos. An auto is an auto and at least you know that it is authentic.

Curtis

 

[chaddie84]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-SP-SIG...0909862426?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item19d2be321a

This makes me sad . The sticker could have been used in such better fashion.

 

[valediction]

I totally disagree! This is complete crap and garbage and anyone who thinks these cards are going to be worth hanging onto has a big surprise in store! I know nobody who would want these in their collections. NOBODY!

To say that just because they are signed, collectors will want them, that is pure speculation based on no evidence or reality. They are trash and I would not have one of these in my collection if you paid me to do so!

So is saying 'anyone who thinks these are going to be worth hanging has a big surprise in store'. People buy signed index cards all the time with no photo, no team name, are they trash? People buy 'cuts' all the time where a cut signature is tacked onto a card that is a complete waste design wise. Heck, people pay big money for cut cards in general when they can often buy the same signed item significantly cheaper. There was a time you could barely give exhibit cards away. People collect pocket schedules, ticket stubs. Look at the production quality of some of the late 70's early 80's minor league sets, and see what some of them go for. People paid $40 to $60 for a one ounce silver round with Ken Griffey Jr or Wrigley Field stamped on them when silver was $6 an ounce. They sell plastic trucks with team logos on them, they find a niche too. You may not like them, and the examples Curt listed are surely overpriced for what they are at the moment, but to me they aren't any less attractive than those 1999 UD Inkredible or some of the Fleer/Skybox fresh ink or autographics cards. They fact that several have sold does verify SOMEBODY wants them in their collections.

 

[dgrimes248]

i agree with BoomerSooner, they ARE licensed by MLBPA.
so, if i can get some ex-Dodgers players at a very reasonable price, i will buy them
to each his own. i won't buy the packs but i'll be looking for deals on eBay. some people must like them because i've seen sales being completed.

 

[BoomerSooner]

Quote:'The part that chaps me is the artificial scarcity that is created by making them in limited quantity and numbering them."

Hasn't EVERY card company done that for ~ 20 years?

Quote:"To say that just because they are signed, collectors will want them, that is pure speculation based on no evidence or reality. "

Not really. I haven't investigated the product, but if there are Mets sigs, of players I need for my collection, I will obtain them. I find it difficult to believe that if this product contained a card with 4 sigs of twins greats on one card, like Killebrew/Oliva/ Carew/Hrbek, you wouldn't be interested at the right price. What if it had 4 twins that haven't had a ton of certified cardsigs: gaetti/gagne/bob allison/zoilo versalles? As a Mets collector, if they had a card with 4 sigs of guys who haven't had certs, i'd be all over it.

 

[BoomerSooner]

Just looked at the checklist- yeah, it would truly SUCK to pull any of these multi-signed cards:

E8-SP Steve Carlton/Bob Feller/Whitey Ford/Bob Gibson/Ferguson Jenkins/Sandy Koufax/Juan Marichal/Nolan Ryan

FF4-BK/LA Frank Howard/Sandy Koufax/Don Newcombe/Duke Snider

FF4-CHC Ernie Banks/Mark Grace/Ryne Sandberg/Ron Santo

FF5-MIN Rod Carew/Kent Hrbek/Harmon Killebrew/Jack Morris/Tony Oliva

FF8-BAL Nick Markakis/Brian Matusz/Eddie Murray/Mike Mussina/Jim Palmer/Boog Powell/Cal Ripken Jr./Frank Robinson

FF8-CIN Johnny Bench/Eric Davis/George Foster/Ken Griffey Jr./Ken Griffey Sr./Don Gullett/Tony Perez/Frank Robinson

SS6-07WS Josh Beckett/Jon Lester/Jonathan Papelbon/Dustin Pedroia/Jason Varitek/Kevin Youkilis

SU8-MVP Ken Griffey Jr./Josh Hamilton/Chipper Jones/Joe Mauer/Dustin Pedroia/Albert Pujols/Miguel Tejada/Joey Votto

 

[mattfieser]

I think the cards themselves look dumb, however they have 4 Bagwell's in the set. I will chase them just because he hasn't had anything mainly produced since 2006. He had a few Exquisite in '07 and in 2010 Donruss EEE he had a redemption auto /35 I have been waiting for since November of 2010. Here are the Bagwell autos in this set, if anyone pulls one or knows where to find one please let me know!!

Signature Edition- HOU-2 Jeff Bagwell (SP but not numbered)

Eight Signatures- HOT8-90S Jeff Bagwell / Derek Jeter / Chipper Jones / Derrek Lee / Alfonso Soriano / Miguel Tejada / Frank Thomas / Kerry Wood /5

Quad Signatures- FF4-HOU Jeff Bagwell / Craig Biggio / Carlos Lee / Jordan Lyles /9

Quad Signatures- SU4-BKMT Jeff Bagwell / John Kruk / Edgar Martinez / Frank Thomas /25

 

[mintman2]

I don't know anything about the issue, other than these cards flew onto my radar because of Garvey. These sellers are PROBABLY insane for asking these prices, but then again I have been wrong before. You can't predict what an unpredictable market will bring for some of this stuff.

These would be a great cards (if they were properly licensed and made like "real" cards) if they weren't basically pack fillers with sticker autos stuck to them and numbered to 10-15 copies. No teams, no photos. They could be modern day broders essentially!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20078706409...FX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1432.l2649#ht_500wt_1336

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25110001788...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1432.l2649#ht_2508wt_1087

Only problem I have with them is the ridiculous asking prices.
Personally, I like the the look of the first one. And while not quite as attractive to me, the only problem I have with the second one is it appears it's a six sig card and they only showed three in the pic.