JSA Authentication..Good or Bad? or they a legit company for authentication? i know PSA/DNA ist he most recognized, but what about JSA?
JSA Authentication..Good or Bad?
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That's who Beckett uses
and there seems to be a lot of problems with ANY authenticator
read here
They have some credibility issues, just like PSA. For the most part it comes down to do your own due diligence and trust your gut. To twist a phrase that seems to be popular 'buyy the autograph, not the authentication'
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I think they are all about to blow up. Read up on it at
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regardless of the inherant problems with being able to authenticate certain players signatures (ie they were dead before authenticating became popular) there are a coupl enames better than the rest. James Spence was with PSA/DNA and is a good name for authentication if you choose to use authentication but remember literally the cert is only worth the paper its printed on
My example is with GAI (pre issues). They were doing a local authentication and deemed a Walter Payton auto not real that he signed for me when I worked for him
My example is with GAI (pre issues). They were doing a local authentication and deemed a Walter Payton auto not real that he signed for me when I worked for him
Thanks guys for all your responses I appreciate it. Wow,that really is not good not good news for authenticators like psa DNA and USA.for me that sucks because most of my autos are psa DNA authenticated. What do u think will happen to values of psa autos if it comes out that they are not legit? I guess you just really have to know what the signature looks like before buying or just get autos certified by the card companies.
You have to remember to find out at what stage of the persons life he signed the item. Example Mantle has at least three different signatures, a young Mantle autograph is much nicer than one from his post playing days. Look at many of the older players with their signatures being pre stoke or post stroke. Even younger players change signatures over time.
If they're not considered legit, it's likely it'll hurt the value a lot, kind of like getting Final Authority or GEM grading to slab your card as a 10 compared to a more reputable source. I think the autograph hobby as a whole would be better served to specialize. Authenticating involves enough variables as it is, but having the same people authenticating Fatty Arbuckle, Fats Domino, Fatu the Wild Samoan, and Phat Albert signatures is setting yourself up to be questioned. Have an authentication service geared towards rock music, one for classical, one for Baseball, one for pro wrestling, etc etc. If you narrow the focus, you can spend more time picking up knowledge of THAT field. Honestly, if I have a question on Dodger autographs, who better to ask than someone like yourself or mrmopar, who have been collecting Dodger autographs for years and are passionate about it? Am I really better served going to PSA/JSA/GAI and let them convince me they are so well versed they have multiple known good samples of Lemmie Miller's signature to compare mine to? (note: hypothetical example only, I do not now nor have I ever owned a Lemmie Miller autograph) And although collectors like you or Curt are fantastic sources of knowledge on that kind of stuff, your opinion on my Harry Chapin or Sofia Coppola likely would not carry as much weight as some of the collectors of all things music or movie related because you are likely not as versed in those fields.
thank you for your responses and thoughts. i appreciate it.
valediction, you bring up some really good points. i know of some people that got dodger autos sent back by psa saying they were not legit, when those people asked me my opinion of it, i thought that the autos were authentic. i only know that because like curt(mrmopar) i have collected dodger autos for almost 40 years and have a real passion for dodgers autos and now have almost 90% of every single brooklyn and la dodger player that has a dodgers card issued. so in that case i think psa/dna was wrong and i felt i was right, regarding authentication of dodgers autos. so, i think those (including myself) who collect autos, might have to just really know our signatures well or just get autographs that are pack pulled and certified by the card companies themselves. thanks again for your thoughts on this.
valediction, you bring up some really good points. i know of some people that got dodger autos sent back by psa saying they were not legit, when those people asked me my opinion of it, i thought that the autos were authentic. i only know that because like curt(mrmopar) i have collected dodger autos for almost 40 years and have a real passion for dodgers autos and now have almost 90% of every single brooklyn and la dodger player that has a dodgers card issued. so in that case i think psa/dna was wrong and i felt i was right, regarding authentication of dodgers autos. so, i think those (including myself) who collect autos, might have to just really know our signatures well or just get autographs that are pack pulled and certified by the card companies themselves. thanks again for your thoughts on this.
My problem with Spence is his chronic "broad" COA issued for autographed sets, meaning he will issue a COA for an entire set of cards after only examining the "key" cards in it. Imagine a set of 1975 topps, all signed (however many that is, say 660) and he examines 50 of them for authenticity, finds them good, and then issues one COA that covers EVERY card in the set. The COA will actually list all the card numbers in the set on it. IMO, that's failure to do the one & only job you are paid to do- authenticate ALL of the items in front of you.
Here is an interesting case. I'll never really know for sure, because I wouldn't spend the money to have someone else check it out for me. If it is real, great. If it's not, then no big deal. The money is long gone and forgotten!
I bought this on ebay several years back. It was in a program signed by a number of different Dodgers. The key was this page though. Everything else looked good and although there are not a ton of Marshall examples, especially vintage, it looked good to me. My opinion, if I were to offer it to someone else on this piece...it looks likely real.
I actually contacted Marshall through his website a few years later and he agreed to view the photo. I sent him this scan he he claimed to have never seen the photo before, let alone signed it. He said it was too neat and that he didn't sign that way. I was hoping for a solid confirmation and was a bit disappointed in his answer.
I have to be honest though, as Marshall seems to be a bit of a grump about autographs...I'm not sure I trust his "memory" on this one after all. It's possible some little kid got him to sigh back in 75 or 76 and he forgot or won't admit it. I could be wrong here, as Marshall himself claims he didn't sign it, but you never know...
I bought this on ebay several years back. It was in a program signed by a number of different Dodgers. The key was this page though. Everything else looked good and although there are not a ton of Marshall examples, especially vintage, it looked good to me. My opinion, if I were to offer it to someone else on this piece...it looks likely real.
I actually contacted Marshall through his website a few years later and he agreed to view the photo. I sent him this scan he he claimed to have never seen the photo before, let alone signed it. He said it was too neat and that he didn't sign that way. I was hoping for a solid confirmation and was a bit disappointed in his answer.
I have to be honest though, as Marshall seems to be a bit of a grump about autographs...I'm not sure I trust his "memory" on this one after all. It's possible some little kid got him to sigh back in 75 or 76 and he forgot or won't admit it. I could be wrong here, as Marshall himself claims he didn't sign it, but you never know...
curt, what is your opinion on psa/dna? lately i have been reading not so many good things about them. i always thought that they were the most trusted source in the hobby. your thoughts please.
I have a hard time trusting authentication companys....since day one, I always asked the question, "if I mail out what turns out to be a PSA 10, how do I know I'm going to get the same card back"? They could keep the 10 and mail me a 9... You may never know.
Hate to dredge up an old topic, but I saw this eBay auction today for a James Spence certified Jason Giambi autograph, which is the worst fake I've ever seen in my life:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JASON-GIAMB...551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae436aac7
It seriously looks like a third grader's signature. Giambi has a fairly distinctive autograph, and that sure ain't it. So...always do a little research even if an item is "certified".
Richard
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JASON-GIAMB...551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae436aac7
It seriously looks like a third grader's signature. Giambi has a fairly distinctive autograph, and that sure ain't it. So...always do a little research even if an item is "certified".
Richard
I'd also add know your sellers. I have a couple guys i pick stuff up from that do thier homeowrk or pick up stuff in person. I've paid a littl emore but know a littl emore about the auto(s)
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