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The Rocket! I don't remember him coming to the Astros.
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Clemens spent 3 seasons with the Astros (2004-2006), won a Cy Young with them in 2004, came in 3rd place Cy Young in 2005.
The only time I saw him pitch in person was in 2005 when he was with the Astros. He came to town to play the Nationals at RFK Stadium and he pitched very well against them!
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Don't feel badly, I didn't remember that either! Red Sox, Blue Jays and Yankees I remember but I would have lost a bet on if he ever pitched for the 'Stros, much less winning a Cy Young with them. Good thing we have Scobes around to refresh our fading memories! LMAO!!
I found the box score to that game that I went to see Clemens pitch in 2005 with the Astros. He pitched 6 scoreless 3-hit innings while striking out 10! I have the ticket stub around here somewhere.
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Houston Astros vs Washington Nationals Box Score: July 22, 2005 | Baseball-Reference.com
Houston Astros beat Washington Nationals (14-1). Jul 22, 2005, Attendance: 38019, Time of Game: 3:02. Visit Baseball-Reference.com for the complete box score, play-by-play, and win probability
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Pitching 6 innings in today's game would qualify you as an ironman. How today's pitchers can't seem to go much farther than 5 innings is astonishing! And Clemens was doing this when he was 43 or 44 years old! If many of today's pitchers did what Clemens did that day they would file a grievance with the NLRB claiming a violation of child labor laws!!!I found the box score to that game that I went to see Clemens pitch in 2005 with the Astros. He pitched 6 scoreless 3-hit innings while striking out 10! I have the ticket stub around here somewhere.
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Houston Astros vs Washington Nationals Box Score: July 22, 2005 | Baseball-Reference.com
Houston Astros beat Washington Nationals (14-1). Jul 22, 2005, Attendance: 38019, Time of Game: 3:02. Visit Baseball-Reference.com for the complete box score, play-by-play, and win probability
Today's athletes may be superior to the previous generatiosn but they are not as tough or as durable as their predecessors and it's not even close.
Never had the opportunity to see him pitch in person; however, he was the most dominant pitcher I've seen in my lifetime.
I agree! I think it's crazy that managers won't let their starters go beyond 5 innings! How are they supposed to get better if they never get an opportunity to pitch through any adversity???
The problem is that todays pitchers are throwing at max effort on every pitch. It has to be hard throwing as hard as you can on most pitches for much longer than 5 innings. Verlander is one of the few pitchers that can still throw 100 mph on the 100th pitch of the game. It cost him a Tommy John surgery as well. Clemens and Nolan Ryan could also do it.
Which begs the question, How on earth did Topps decide to roll out to old airbrush artists? I know traded sets in the 70’s were rare, but if a trade was made in December would that give said “artist” enough time to transform the photo? And then, when traded sets were the norm, especially in the 80’s we even see “artistic “ renderings even in the updates. I noticed the most within the 83 update set. And I think we all know why I put artists in quotes
I remember when Stepen Strasburg was the all time great prospect that people were saying the way he threw he was an injury waiting to happen, which is exactly what his career has been. And as they say "the greatest ability is availability".
Guys like Ryan and most likely Clemens, given his similar build, generated their power from their legs instead of their arms which is why I think they were so durable. Joints and ligaments are just not meant for that kind of stress which makes me wonder why more coaches don't discourage the high stress throwing motions.
On the other hand, in football quarterbacks are overly protected but the number of season ending injuries suffered by starting QBs reads like casualty rates from the Eastern Front in WW II. Something is amiss with the high number of injuries (or fatigue in baseball pitchers) than has been discovered especially with all the modern training methods, nutition etc etc.
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Trevor Bauer has been tinkering with training techniques for quite awhile now. With the exception of almost cutting off his finger with a drone, he was/ is pretty durable. If he has any sort of career moving forward, it will be interesting to see how his body holds up. He throws weighted balls at the wall and his long toss regimen is legendary (Well in Cleveland anyway).
Here's one for today!
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That's a great card of Yaz '71!
Don't forget, steroids helped Clemens durability.
I think Gerritt Cole is the last starting pitcher who will make the hall of fame for a very long time. There is nobody younger that has the numbers. If you only pitch 5 innings, half the games are lost by the bullpen.
They will use advanced sabermetrics to elect future pitchers to the HOF I think.
There is nobody on the horizon after Cole.
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