So...You want to be a player Super Collector?

Loyalty32

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Meliah - On #5, are you looking for a total count on non-card items owned or a list of the items we do own?

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Craig
 

JJJ5278

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My application is submitted. It was nice having to count some of the non-card items and pulling them out again to look at them. Hope I am picked as an Edgerrin supercollector. If not, look for my application next month w/ better numbers, lol. Thanks for the chance and it is a neat/fun idea.
 

mrmopar

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I'll add this while the idea is still fresh. My opinion is you can't be a super collector unless you collect just about EVERYTHING! I'm sure I will get much opposition to this, especially considering the newer collectors (The older players have a weath of oddball stuff that seems to have almost disappeared in todays collecting world, leaving just cards to collect). The term has become overused much the same way rare has. The term "super" defines the level of collecting in this case and you can't even meet those requirements because you have 50 GU, 30 1/1s, 100 autos and 80% of the cards made... if you ignore whole other areas of collectibles. I am not saying you would have to get EVERYTHING possible (if Ty had made a Garvey Beanie Bear, I highly doubt I would have wanted it), but most "super collectors" don't even touch the oddball stuff these days. You are not necessarily a super collector if you collect a guy you like and you have a large number of his cards, but ignore things like buttons, bobbleheads, posters, figures, etc. Maybe you are a "Super Card Collector", but certainly not an overall "Super Collector".

I'm sure this will be received poorly, but I think this is one idea that should be scrapped (or modified) before it takes off. My apologies to the author of this idea, but as many of my ideas have been received similarily, this one ain't great! The site trying to define a super collector and then linking it to trade functions is a disappointment waiting to happen. I mean how are you no longer a super collector if your trade rating drops to 4.9? How can you not be a super collector if you only have 18 completed trades? Lastly, can you really be denied super collector status if your guy only has 13 items and you have them all because your collection is deemed too small?

My thought is if you want to recognize player collectors in some special way and relate it to a trade function, then call it something else. Call it something like Player Collector Specialist or Star Player Collector and leave the "Super Collector" designation to those who self-proclaim it, deserving or not.
 

Champs96ws

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We look at the entire body of work that someone has put into the collection. All your points have already been taken into account. You would be surprised how many people will be turned down the first time around.

If someone can be self proclaimed "super collector" then I'm sure the site can identify who we feel is a true "super collector" :)
 

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I mean how are you no longer a super collector if your trade rating drops to 4.9? How can you not be a super collector if you only have 18 completed trades?


The limitations are not because we dont think the person is qualified. But this idea is for established traders who do the things the way they should be doing them. This is a PERK and nothing more. And perks should be earned (hence the excluding new members) and perks should go to quality members. I dont think someone who is flakey should be given perks. If a member doesnt not care enough to send out trades in a timely matter they should not be eligible for any extras the site offers. Same things with condition, etc. If you send someone a card that is not in good shape (without telling them) you should be held accountable. As stated above, this is just a perk. It doesnt add or take away from anyones collection.
 

Meliah

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My thought is if you want to recognize player collectors in some special way and relate it to a trade function, then call it something else. Call it something like Player Collector Specialist or Star Player Collector and leave the "Super Collector" designation to those who self-proclaim it, deserving or not.


Steffan already said most of the stuff I would've but I'll add this. What the heck does it matter what we call it? There is NO defined definition of Super Collector so saying you're a Super Collector, a Player Collector Specialist or the Supreme Ruler of All Cards Pujols that I Survey can be no difference.

My apologies to the author of this idea, but as many of my ideas have been received similarily, this one ain't great!

You're entitled to your opinion but this makes it sounds like you're just dumping on me because you're sour about other stuff.
 

mrmopar

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Man, it didn't take long for you guys to jump on this one and defend the idea!!! It's just an opinion...

I didn't know who's idea it was and was not looking to make anyone mad. I support most of what the Bench does and think the site is fantastic, but I just wasn't warm and fuzzy about this one. I offered a counterpoint because as usual all of the feedback was glowing. I sometimes think people won't offer differing opinions because of this. I am not sour over anything, by the way.

I'd love to see the submissions though. As I said before, I think the term "super collector" is overused and I look forward to seeing who the staff feels deserves the designation and hopefully those collections are highlighted in some way.
 

Meliah

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You should read some of the PM's I get in--you'll see not everyone has glowing things to say about the site or myself:)

Nobody is jumping on you, we have a right to our opinions as well.

This SC thing here was my idea so I might tend to defend it more than most. Judging from the amount of responses we've had from this in only one day I would say that it's at least popular so far and that is what I wanted the most. Something fun for our members and unique from the other trading sites out there(until they steal this idea like they try to steal some of our other stuff!).
 

mrmopar

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I hope they are from people who are trouble makers to begin with, as I have yet to see anything that would cause me concern over the site or the people here. It's usually the trouble makers who cry the loudest when they are called out for their actions! For instance, I am sure you get an earful from anyone who gets the boot.

Off the subject, but I came across a funny picture today going through some Garvey stuff that you might appreciate. It was from a magazine and had this odd cartoon picture of Garvey where he appeared to be skipping along. Guess who's cartoon mug was tucked away in the corner of the picture...none other than Leon Durham!

You should read some of the PM's I get in--you'll see not everyone has glowing things to say about the site or myself:)
 

Meliah

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I hope they are from people who are trouble makers to begin with, as I have yet to see anything that would cause me concern over the site or the people here. It's usually the trouble makers who cry the loudest when they are called out for their actions! For instance, I am sure you get an earful from anyone who gets the boot.

Off the subject, but I came across a funny picture today going through some Garvey stuff that you might appreciate. It was from a magazine and had this odd cartoon picture of Garvey where he appeared to be skipping along. Guess who's cartoon mug was tucked away in the corner of the picture...none other than Leon Durham!

I don't read the Emails I get from booted members anymore, they never contained anything except for swearing and name calling really:rolleyes:

I bet that cartoon has something to do with the 1984 playoffs. You know I hate Garvey right?:) I was listening to WGN nightly sports show and the Cubs fan on there was talking about all the people he hated being a Cubs fan--The Mets, Cardinals, Will Clark and the Giants and of course the Padres and Garvey. He said last year Garvey came in for a interview and was introducing himself to everyone. He came up to the Cubs fan(forgot his name now!) who shok his hand and said "You know I hate you" right to his face. Garvey replied with, "Must be a Cubs fan then":D
 

bzickefoose1

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When I started the thread a few months ago that I believe helped get this whole thing rolling, the problem was that under the Player Collectors tab here on the Bench, people had ten or twenty players listed and the list wasn't much help for potential trades.

The idea was to be able to distinguish between the real player collectors and those collectors who listed players they simply didn't mind having cards of.

I don't think anybody's goal was to call out the SUPER COLLECTIONS of SUPER COLLECTORS, I think it was simply to distinguish. (EDIT). (EDIT).

Please keep in mind that people collecting retired/non-HOF guys like Steve Garvey require nowhere near the Paypal balance of someone collecting Nolan Ryan or Sandberg. I know Ryan has over 7,000 cards and Sandberg has 3,100, but a quick Garvey search shows barely 1,000. Not only does Sandberg have 3x more stuff, but it books exactly 4x more than Garvey. Basically, for every $1 you put into your collection, I would have to put in $12 to keep up with you percentage wise.

Your collection is super - nobody is doubting that - but just because some of us are trying to collect harder players doesn't mean we shouldn't get perks if chosen.

I'm just rambling at this point, but you get the idea.....
 
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Meliah

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bzickefoose1--C'mon man, edit that post and be polite. Everyone is allowed to express their opinions. That comment of yours is uncalled for and rude. This is exactly how that post you're talking about got WAY out of hand.
 

bzickefoose1

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bzickefoose1--C'mon man, edit that post and be polite. Everyone is allowed to express their opinions. That comment of yours is uncalled for and rude. This is exactly how that post you're talking about got WAY out of hand.

Maybe it wasn't the nicest thing yo say, but look what I was responding to:

I'd love to see the submissions though. As I said before, I think the term "super collector" is overused and I look forward to seeing who the staff feels deserves the designation and hopefully those collections are highlighted in some way.

He's getting ready to laugh at collections that simply don't measure up to his. I see that as a pretty arrogant comment and I don't think anyone has his back on that one.
 

Meliah

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Maybe it wasn't the nicest thing yo say, but look what I was responding to:



He's getting ready to laugh at collections that simply don't measure up to his. I see that as a pretty arrogant comment and I don't think anyone has his back on that one.

One thing that everyone can agree on is almost everyone's definition of a SC is different. While I don't agree with his opinion it doesn't mean he's not allowed to have one. Personally I think you're reading into his comments a bit too much because I don't see them at all the way you do.
 
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Wow, I can see this could get bad really quick. My only hope is that my submission/collection is judged on its own merrit by itself and not compared to another collection of a similar or same player, same # of cards available of a player, or same $ value. I would hate for a collection of any one player to be considered the benchmark and standard by which all other collections are judged to be worthy or not worthy by. It is not all about who has the deepest pockets and can afford all the uber rare cards. For me it is about the passion of collecting. I am certainly not into this for an investment. My two favorite players will never fetch the $ a Pujols, A-Rod, Jeter, or a Bonds collection will. I collect who I collect because I really like the player, I like to see the new card designs and how the industry has advanced over the past 25 years, it is fun to view and change the presentation and display of my entire collection, and meet other collecters and hopefully other collectors who collect the same player that we can help each other out. (Thank you Brian and "the Bench".) I am really happy for Brian to reach "Super Collector" status because he deserves it and am proud because I know I have helped him out a little. Not as near as much as he has helped me though! :D
I would just hate to see people get offended and potentially leave this wonderful site because someone's opinion of their collection is different. Just for the record, I am one of the people who is a "self-proclaimed" super collector on my site. I seriously doubt I will stop using that term or stop calling myself one here even if my collection is not deemed worthy by someone else.
Tim
 
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