JOSH, thank you for your opinion and as far as what you said your points are good for those of us who collect graded cards you will pay double or triple for an 8 or better,and please in the future private message me when you have negative comments about a listing it is hard enough to sell cards as it is without putting negative points on a sales thread and in the modern world of sports not many athletes have nice signatures most are sketchey at best, only a handfull of pro athletes have nice signatures and tatis has about a 1 out of 10 autographs signed that are nice i have noticed he signed better as a minor leager and in todays MLB because of demand players are signing thousands of autographs, and that has a negative effect in there penmanship,players sign fast to get through the multipul autograph sheets card companies send them to sing, your chances are much better of a nice autograph in person at a game or card signing show, because the player is not rushing to get through it to sign one autograph,card companies send them sheets to sign that has 1,000 or more auto's,and that fact is why the quality of pro athletes in todays world are rough at best, hope your new year is going well so far, RANDY