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Scobes

1958 Topps #175 Marv Throneberry RC

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I did not know this factoid until just now. When I saw Marv Throneberry was with the Kansas City Athletics in the early 60s, I began to wonder if he was involved in the famous trade that bought Roget Maris from Kansas City to the Yankees. And 'lo and behold he was. Throneberry was traded with 3 other players to the Athletics (most notably Hank Bauer and Don larson) for Maris and 2 other players. I had no idea he was involved in that trade until today!
 
I did not know this factoid until just now. When I saw Marv Throneberry was with the Kansas City Athletics in the early 60s, I began to wonder if he was involved in the famous trade that bought Roget Maris from Kansas City to the Yankees. And 'lo and behold he was. Throneberry was traded with 3 other players to the Athletics (most notably Hank Bauer and Don larson) for Maris and 2 other players. I had no idea he was involved in that trade until today!

@SymphonicMetal

Interesting. I didn't know that either. Here's the full trade:

December 11, 1959:
KCA receives: Hank Bauer, Don Larsen, Norm Siebern and Marv Throneberry.
NYY receives: Roger Maris, Joe DeMaestri and Kent Hadley


Bauer and Larsen's best days were behind them at that point. Siebern did the best of KC's return - a 3-time AS and finished in the MVP voting (14th, 7th, and 27th).

Then I looked into why KC would trade Maris in this deal and found this:

"The two franchises shared an unusually cozy relationship where Kansas City essentially operated as a "major league farm team" for the Yankees. At the time, Athletics owner Arnold Johnson had close personal financial and real estate ties to Yankees co-owner Del Webb. Because Johnson owed Webb favors and money, the Yankees were frequently allowed to treat Kansas City's roster as a talent pipeline. Whenever New York needed to fill a hole, they would trade away their aging or underperforming veterans to Kansas City in exchange for top-tier young talent."

Evidently, the Yanks picked up quite a few solid pieces from KC in a similar manner - players such as Clete Boyer, Ralph Terry, Enos Slaughter, Johnny Sain, and Ryne Duren.

I don't think anything like this would fly in today's MLB.

Scobes
 
@SymphonicMetal

Interesting. I didn't know that either. Here's the full trade:

December 11, 1959:
KCA receives: Hank Bauer, Don Larsen, Norm Siebern and Marv Throneberry.
NYY receives: Roger Maris, Joe DeMaestri and Kent Hadley


Bauer and Larsen's best days were behind them at that point. Siebern did the best of KC's return - a 3-time AS and finished in the MVP voting (14th, 7th, and 27th).

Then I looked into why KC would trade Maris in this deal and found this:

"The two franchises shared an unusually cozy relationship where Kansas City essentially operated as a "major league farm team" for the Yankees. At the time, Athletics owner Arnold Johnson had close personal financial and real estate ties to Yankees co-owner Del Webb. Because Johnson owed Webb favors and money, the Yankees were frequently allowed to treat Kansas City's roster as a talent pipeline. Whenever New York needed to fill a hole, they would trade away their aging or underperforming veterans to Kansas City in exchange for top-tier young talent."

Evidently, the Yanks picked up quite a few solid pieces from KC in a similar manner - players such as Clete Boyer, Ralph Terry, Enos Slaughter, Johnny Sain, and Ryne Duren.

I don't think anything like this would fly in today's MLB.

Scobes
I knew Kansas City was considered a Yankees Major League Farm Team but had no idea as to why. I just thought it was bad management but it obviously was more than that.

I have to disagree about that not happening today. I think the Lakers have the NBA over a financial barrel or have (and have had) compromising pictures of NBA execs with domestic animals for decades. Look at the players over the years that just happen to end up with LA and most are by trade............Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Pau Gasol (the key acquisition for Kobe's last title) Le Bron, Anthony Davis and of course "My name is Luka, I live on the second floor" Doncic. Only Magic was drafted by LA and I think that pick was because of some wack trade. I did not include Kobe since he was drafted by Charlotte with the 13th pick so many other teams could have taken him. He was acquired in a draft day trade for Vlade Divac.. Shaq and LBJ were free agents but that still leaves a lot of all time greats that just happen to end up with the Lakers via trade.

Things were so obviously corrupt with the NBA that they actually put the kibosh on a trade for "Mr Overrated" Chris Paul from the Charlotte Hornets. I cannot remember the particulars of that trade but I think it involved some gently used jock straps and and my high school's 1970s mechanical rebounding machiine (which ruled BTW) going to the Hornets. Obviously the Lakers did not have any farm animal pics with TPTB in the NBA that year.
 
Here's one for today!

Scobes

1962 Topps #120 Pete Retzlaff SP

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Once again Scobes posts a card that compels me to look the player pictured up. For 60 years I've known who Pete Retzlaff was (Eagles receiver) because of his mid 60s cards but did not know much about him. Looking at his stats, I'm surprised he is not in the Pro Football HOF. 2 times first team all pro, 2 times second team, NFL title in 1960, led the league in receptions in 1958, loooong 14 year career where he was productive right until the end (1st Team All Pro in his next to last year!). And yet he is just forgotten in the pro football dustbin of history. Sad.

Speaking of the Philadelphia Eagles and 1962 one of my most prized (which differs from valuable) is a 3 panel fold out of the Philadelphia Eagles 1962 schedule. It has info on both sides of each of the three panels and the stock would be similar to 1980s and earlier baseball cards. On the front there is a picture of Tommy McDonald on the left and another of Sonny Jurgenson on the right. When one of my more tech saavy brothers comes here I'll have him post a picture of this beauty. I'm sure I bought this for a quarter at a flea market during my 2 times as a Pa. resident in the mid 80s.

And for Scobes or any other Philadelphia person, have you ever heard of a beer called Schmidts of Philadelphia? Their slogan was "Get the friendlier feeling of full-taste beer". This com[any was the sponsor for this schedule which advertised a TV show called "Touchdown Twins" which was a 15 minute show on Saturday and Sunday nights featuring McDonald and Jurgenson.
 
Once again Scobes posts a card that compels me to look the player pictured up. For 60 years I've known who Pete Retzlaff was (Eagles receiver) because of his mid 60s cards but did not know much about him. Looking at his stats, I'm surprised he is not in the Pro Football HOF. 2 times first team all pro, 2 times second team, NFL title in 1960, led the league in receptions in 1958, loooong 14 year career where he was productive right until the end (1st Team All Pro in his next to last year!). And yet he is just forgotten in the pro football dustbin of history. Sad.

Speaking of the Philadelphia Eagles and 1962 one of my most prized (which differs from valuable) is a 3 panel fold out of the Philadelphia Eagles 1962 schedule. It has info on both sides of each of the three panels and the stock would be similar to 1980s and earlier baseball cards. On the front there is a picture of Tommy McDonald on the left and another of Sonny Jurgenson on the right. When one of my more tech saavy brothers comes here I'll have him post a picture of this beauty. I'm sure I bought this for a quarter at a flea market during my 2 times as a Pa. resident in the mid 80s.

And for Scobes or any other Philadelphia person, have you ever heard of a beer called Schmidts of Philadelphia? Their slogan was "Get the friendlier feeling of full-taste beer". This com[any was the sponsor for this schedule which advertised a TV show called "Touchdown Twins" which was a 15 minute show on Saturday and Sunday nights featuring McDonald and Jurgenson.

Retzlaff - heck of a player and an all-time great Eagle! We, Eagle fans, don't forget him, but it does show you how many great 50s-60s-70s players are unknown to modern generations...

I've heard of Schmidts beer - as I'm sure I've seen their advertising plenty of times. I don't know about the TV show but it sounds cool!

Oh, and fun fact, Retzlaff supposedly lived near my Aunt in Gilbertsville, PA. At least that's what she told me once.

Scobes
 
Nope, don't know anything about him... what the card is worth... got it as a freebie in a trade and thought it was cool.
Jacob Misiorowski '26 Bowman Sterling Refractor
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He is a pretty big prospect and not just because of his shared ethnicity with me. He recently set a record for most pitches thrown in a game that were 100 MPH or over. Not sure if that is a record you want to have as the guy who held that record is a pitcher for the Reds who has been on the DL for the better part of a year. Someone more literate in modern baseball than I am ( pretty much everybody on The Bench)- would know the specific details.
 
He is a pretty big prospect and not just because of his shared ethnicity with me. He recently set a record for most pitches thrown in a game that were 100 MPH or over. Not sure if that is a record you want to have as the guy who held that record is a pitcher for the Reds who has been on the DL for the better part of a year. Someone more literate in modern baseball than I am ( pretty much everybody on The Bench)- would know the specific details.
He also set a record for fastest pitch by a starter ever. Dont quote me but I think it was 105.6 MPH
 
He is a pretty big prospect and not just because of his shared ethnicity with me. He recently set a record for most pitches thrown in a game that were 100 MPH or over. Not sure if that is a record you want to have as the guy who held that record is a pitcher for the Reds who has been on the DL for the better part of a year. Someone more literate in modern baseball than I am ( pretty much everybody on The Bench)- would know the specific details.
As a staff member for the Brewers I can tell you about Miz. Yes, he does hold the record for most 100 plus pitches in a game. His Maddux that he pitched a couple weeks ago against the Phillies was just amazing. He seems to be a pretty grounded kid, and has a good head on his shoulders. He is a regular at sports and pokemon shops around Milwaukee and just saw that he opened some packs with a fan in Arizona this weekend.

Stats wise and ability are seemingly limitless. Do I worry about injury? Of course. But it seems that he has a very fluid delivery, not throwing max effort every pitch, and knowing the mechanics of pitching will no doubt help him. The Brewers brass are even adding an extra day off the last half of the year so he doesn't just blow past his career high in innings before the playoffs. But the one question i have on this card is, does he have a Woodruff style beard in that picture or am i seeing things? Dude looks like he is about 12 years old and decades away from even picking up a razor. @PRosefan1 yes that pitch was 105.6
 
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